Completely agree with the stuff about WoW. Grinding on WoW is far more heinous than Lusternia. Sure you can get level 80 faster than level 100, but you have to grind mats for skills (assuming you can't afford to just buy them), you have to grind for rep (Timbermaw anyone?), you have to grind for tokens, if you want gold you have to grind instances for greens and blues to auction. Everything in WoW is based around one philosophy, grind, grind and grind some more.

Arguably, as well, casual players can take just as long to level there as Lusternia, due to the grinding for everything you have to do. You really can't compare the two games based on grinding, because WoW will win for grinding hands down.

I make the same essence/hour bashing tunnel trash as I do bashing illithoids. I just get more gold bashing illithoids.

I don't know if that was arguing or agreeing... I'll say agree.

Ardmore you really should read before calling people an idiot. I am not complaining about the lack of safety, if you read my thing, you would know I have hunted Kephera, and I have hunted Illithoid, and in fact I prefer Illithoid, because for the marginal gain in experience. (I do not count a couple percent here, or there as 'great' exp... that is a relative measurement and I cringe when I hear how many hours 1% at the late 90's take... that is just horrible...) Tunnel trash is boring.... very boring. At least in a group, the tunnel trash would be a little more interesting.

And another thing... you were yapping about risk versus the reward... Tunnel Trash is a joke risk wise. Avenger protected, and really the only thing that will kill anyone 70 or up is a fisher convention... and once you get smart, or hit the 90's even those become unlikely to kill you.

That's not what I said at all...Plus I do bash Undervault tunnels (not Illithoid, they would kill me), and I do bash linked Astral (anything that won't kill me.) So I guess by your own sentiments, you are obligated to respect my opinion.

I don't like quoting multiple posts, the safety was in regards to Alban (I think... someone whined about getting jumped.)

And as for how many hours it takes you get 1%, at level 98 it too me approximately 1 hour to get 4%. At level 99 it took me approximately 50 minutes of non-stop bashing to get 1%... I don't know who's saying it takes so long, maybe it takes them so long because they afk at the Nexus for a few hours mid-bash!

And if it takes you this time next year to get level 90 you don't deserve to get Demigod. It's something you have to put effort towards, not just expect to have it handed to you.

Fishers and adoraths aren't jokes. Especially since they are often in clusters, and adoraths seem to slowly hunt you like astral mobs.

Yeah if you haven't noticed I don't like to read entire posts, I read the first thing I want to smack you over and run it into the ground!

I always respect your opinion, even if I think you whine way too much about warriors and Demigods!

So, Ardmore, to understand you right, because I had the audacity to get pregnant have a daughter, wait a few years, have a son, get married, have a job, in my case with the USN, I do not deserve to have demigod?

That is like telling a man who was born into poverty, 'Well it is going to take you YEARS to get rich, so you do not deserve to be rich.'

Get off your high horse dude. If the game is only made accessible to the people you deem who deserve that accessibility because they can put the same amount of daunting time into the game as you, well then you are going to have a very small player base in no time at all.

That's the point. For you it was managable, because you have a large amount of time to sit and play and bash. That's atypical, and your comment is akin to racing a parapalegic up a flight of stairs, then yelling back down to them "You don't deserve to reach the top! What, do you want it handed to you?"

Most people who bash slowly would do the work for it, but it's just not practical for them to do so. Like or parapalegic friend. The posts discuss this, and the nature of casual gamers, and how that is the way the wind is blowing for the industry, as the gaming population ages and has responsibilities.

Okay, you don't deserve to get Demigod handed to you, like you're asking. Simple enough?

Edit: And if you guys can't tell, yes I'm bitter over this. I worked my butt off to get to Demigod and you all whine it should be easier to get. It's not a necessity for combat, no matter how many people claim it is. I did just dandy as a level 83ish Bard. If anything, change combat, but don't go asking for Demigod to be given away for free!

While not disputing that casual gamers have a harder time of it than others, plenty of single parents, full time parents, military personnel, full time students in both high school and college levels, full time employed people can and do make it to demigod/dragon/whatever else the endgame level is in the other IRE's. I fit into at least 3 of those categories and had I not taken a 2 year break from my character would have been a Demigod in the first year of game time, at a time when death meant you lost a whole lot more experience than you do now.

It is a false statement to say "Because I have a life outside the game I can't do it". You can do it, it takes a little longer and is harder yes, but to turn back examples; Sure the poverty stricken man can get rich, it just takes him longer. 'and using a paraplegic is a horrible example, casual gamers are more akin to someone with a broken leg on crutches. You can get to the top of the stairs, it just takes you longer.

Hey, the Paraplegic could make it! ...he'd just need to spend enough time sitting there until the stairs finally become handicap accesable, by Civil Rights (or someone) getting a ramp put in... which is what thier asking for, I guess.

Actually a paraplegic could prolly get up the stairs, just slower, by sitting on each step and lifting himself with his arms step by step. A quadriplegic, now, they'd have issues.

It took me about 18 months to reach demigod. I am not a casual player. Level 100 is considered a "Big Deal" by the Administration for good or for ill. That is currently a fact and I will not argue its necessity. It is universally true that you have to make choices. From about level 92 to 99, I was nearly invisible to anyone in-game because I was getting experience on aetherbubbles. Would I rather have been interacting with people? Maybe. Did I want level 100? Yes. I had a plan. Do you want to roleplay? Then roleplay. Do you want to socialize over clans? Then socialize over clans. Do you want to log on for twenty minutes a day, constantly roleplay, gain appreciable amounts of experience, and make decent money with your trade? Well, good luck budgeting your time for that.

In the end, this is a game and you should be able to let it go at the drop of a hat for commitments to family, friends, work, life, health or whatever else. It is a hobby and, as such, you get what you put into it. I could buy a six thousand dollar camera, take a basic course in photography, practice with it a few hours a week and it is going to be a good long while before the Audobon Society is pounding down my door for my truly amazing avian images.

The "deserving" of level 100 in a game is something that I will not touch. How do you make it "easier" to the people for whom it is not practical to achieve ordinarily (I did it 95% alone with a spec-race non-human caster and there were weeks when my exp gain was solely from the org power quest) while not making it a cakewalk for those who are going to put in the effort? Is it really a question that requires that much analysis?

My only complaint about warriors is that they bash so much easier than me.

Maybe we could do a thing like WoW does where you get an xp bonus for extended periods of not logging in, to encourage you to come back.

I actually have no idea how this works in WoW, I just know the mechanic exists.

And this was never really about me being bitter that I probably won't get demigod (although it was a little bit), more so that I see it as a big block for new players coming in. Where I see other games trying to streamline the grinding process and make it more appealing to casual players, I don't see that happening here.

One idea I had was to give more benefits for people in the 80 - 98 leveling range. You see, up to level 80 you get bound credits. At level 80 you don't have to eat or sleep. If there were perks to getting, lets say, 85, 90, 95, it would make it seem like "okay, I can't get demigod, but if I can manage 90, I get something cool." Maybe this could be combat related, maybe just a cool RP ability or utility, like the no eat/sleep thing. I prefer the latter two, I don't want more things being required for combat, but I'm not the game designer. It also solves the problem with Demigods feeling like they are getting gipped, since these new abilities and/or perks would be given to them retroactively.

It's amazing the amount of people who post here saying they don't have time but I see them ingame constantly. Not bashing.

Also, Duke of Ess with the BOOSH cannon.

You guys should listen to Gala's post, makes sense.

It's not even hard to bash to demigod, bashing isn't hard at all, in fact. Just takes time. If you're a casual player, more power to you, but if you want demigod, you're gonna have to put in the time to get it.