Oh good grief, no you didn't. You went warrior and hit the same button hundreds of times. If anything, your butt probably got bigger.

Like your head.

It's dull, tedious, boring as all get out, and time consuming. It is not hard.



UV is good! The only thing I'd suggest is a way to the illithoid prison that didn't require you to run the Adorath gauntlet.

Going to have to agree that getting demigod isn't in itself hard. It's an enormous timesink of tedious activities. Well, tedious to some, others enjoy pushing a button or two to the nth degree. The fact that there are relatively speaking few demigods I think is a good indication of how fun bashing is. Not that I begrudge those that invest their time in getting demigod- it certainly does take dedication.

Quoted for absolute truth.



UV is not hard if you've got half a brain, squint and sipping. The half a brain is for knowing what not to toy with. Callia exaggerates greatly, however, when she says it's for lv60.

The problem with UV, at least in my book, is not that it's hard - it's that it just doesn't quite pay off. I can do a Tosha - Arthar'rt influence and slaughter - aslaran - krokani - naga - quinotaur run with relatively no effort and get more exp than I would have had I spent the same amount of time bashing tunnels. Traversing those tunnels in search of critters who give lower exp than anything I bash above just isn't worth it. At lv81, with karma and Domoth harmony and facebook, tunnels are on average 0.06% per critter (fishers giving the most, like 0.08%, adoraths are 0.11% but I dare not touch a group of two with all that paralyzing). My exp gaining above is an average of 0.07%. But it is not this exp deficiency that makes UV inadequate, it's the size. Sure, there is an infinite number of critters down there, but by the time I've killed a representative amount, those above have long since respawned and are just waiting for me to farm them again.

So... to summarize, raise the average exp down there by 0.01% (in my terms) and it will become my new home! Simple as that. Seems cheap, but that's really all it takes.

Oh I'm sorry I didn't abuse the game like you, I actually had to spend time instead of follow thoros/daydream.

I would have bashed to Demigod just as fast as a Bard, to be honest I found killing things as a warrior to be slower than when I was bard, and I got hit harder than as bard, I just had more health.

That said... Shut up because anything and everything you say is useless.

There really isn't any work involved with becoming a demi other than an enormous investment in time, no matter the class, no matter if your grouping or doing it aetherspace style. Your extreme bitterness is really unwaranted, and you look nothing more than child throwing a tantrum, Ardmore.

I don't think I have ever said Undervault is to hard... in fact I feel it is to easy in many ways. Yeah the experience is low, but for the amount of fight you get from an urchin, it should be low. Everything but Fisher, Mantekarr and Adorath's should be a bit harder in my opinion, then they'd at least be worth giving them an experience boost. That is what I was getting at when talking about the undervault.

And for clarification I consider 75 up high level. 60's can, and will get better experience on the surface, but 70's and up, the undervault actual ends up netting slightly more, and I can imagine by 90's a lot more.

Yeah undervault critters could use an experience boost, but I would actually prefer they become a little harder, might make bashing down there actually fun.

lol abuse. I hope I don't get shrubbed! Fail harder.

Bashing isn't hard, despite what you say.. I sure do love how you are so egotiscal about being a Demi, even though you are what, the 40th one to get it?

To be fair, that was pre-bard nerf.

So no one likes the idea of perks at 85/90/95?

There we go.

I do. 80 has no food or sleep. 85/90//95 would be great to have things.

Ok, I like the idea of group bashing. It is more fun in general to go out with a couple of friends and bash for a couple of hours than to do it by yourself. That said, I don't think it should be either encouraged or discouraged.

Some of us are not the most social of people. I myself have always, in real life and in character, found it hard to make friends. I end up spending a lot of time by myself, and I know that I'm not the only one. If you start handing out XP bonuses to anyone that bashes in a group you're going to make it even more difficult for people like me who end up bashing alone all the time. Then you have to take into consideration what you'd do to people who normally are social, but are trying to RP someone who is not.


I have to admit I'm not sure how Lusternia actually discourages it. Can you explain?


Same question.


That's a blanket statement that can't really be upheld. Perhaps you don't like it, but the amount of people that play World of Warcraft is staggering, and that game seems to focus entirely on grinding. For the time that I tried it out I didn't see any real storyline (aside from the quest texts, which don't really constitute a storyline), and if you drop yourself into a RP server the RP is light enough that I never saw it... not once. Which leads me to believe that some people enjoy bashing enough to pay $15 a month to do it for hours on end.


You have a point here. If you wish to be an effective combatant it does seem like you're either going to have to spend real money to buy credits and trans out a few skill sets, or spend an insane amount of time trying to buy them with gold (and with the credit market as it is, that's not really feasible for a new character without a trade skill and some rich friends).

But I have a counter-argument for this. Most graphical MMOs that I'm aware of (AoC, WoW, WAR, etc.) require you to pay a monthly fee to play, which comes to about $15 average. I personally know people who have been playing WoW since it came out in November, 2004. It is now December, 2008, slightly more than four years from release. At $15 a month over 49 months, that comes to $750 in fees. That's simply for the right to play, not actually giving you anything. I admit that I've probably spent over $100 in credits on Lusternia, but that directly bought me skills. And, if I choose, I can never spend another penny. Also, I've been playing IRE games (on and off, but for the bulk of) six years running. In that time I've still haven't spent anywhere near $750, and I have a lot of fun with the games.

So, forgive the long-winded point, but the notion that you must put out money to enjoy your character is true only on a couple of levels, and even then not so bad considering the alternatives in MMO entertainment. Furthermore: some of those alternatives require both the time and the money.


I'm not certain I agree that being level 100 is ever going to be required. I imagine that it adds a level of depth to the game with the extra abilities you get. I also imagine that the insane levels of health and the crazy stats make combat easier. However, I've never had a character past level 79 in any IRE game, and there have been times I've been known as a decent combatant.

More time to invest in my combat system (which I've ended up re-doing time and time again for one reason or another) would very likely boost my ability in combat. Isuka is only level 64, and before I took a break from Lusternia was starting to build a name for himself in raids. Sure, a demigod would hand my ass to me (especially one on one), but in general I could hold my own. Also, simply being a demigod isn't really enough. If you're a demigod with an aweful combat system you can be taken down just the same as anyone else as far as I know.

Sorry for the lengthy post.

Hey, what about those influencers that are trying to reach Demigod?

They'll never get there.

Can I just buy Demi-god? Please? You know I'm good for it.

How many credits equal 1,000,000 power? You could always bring an offer to Celest.

Buy their leaders lots and lots of cubixes!

I do not agree, anyone who plays little enough to be labeled a casual player is not going to be raised simply due to the fact that anyone who plays even slightly more is going to be preferred so you are more likely to see someone already close to demi getting bumped up to ascendant than someone who plays for a short time every day.

Shut your -ing faeling mouth.

"Hey! Listen!"

Hoooooopelesssssssssss. Even if you get close, I'll just grief you back to newton. Muhahaha.

ergh, now I'm having thoughts about some artifact you can place in your manse that you can power up with small tokens gained from different tasks(writing plays/books, completing different quests, arena fun, etc) then kneel before it and learn from your experiences each month

BAD, but it would be awesome to have a tiny experience boost though.

The problem with UV is that they nerfed the Kephera gold drops about 10 times since it came out so that now they drop about a gold piece per mob. Seriously, not cool. Buff it back up to something appreciable!