I'd agree IF the Viscanti spec wasn't butt awful. 14 int, 12 cha. Good job whoever designed that.

So be a Faeling?

Lol, 9 con. No thanks. I'll be going human soon enough.

Non-mutant faeling is a horrible choice for anything.

With bardicpresence, netzach, a throne, and vileblood my irontongue viscanti has 17 cha. Keeping vileblood up can be annoying but anything i'm doing that would need the boost in cha would be helped by our buff songs anyway.

Necroscream has the best buffs and good group support but does lack in offense and has virtually no synergy with tertiary skills and auric affliction/damage in music (which hurts since that's the main way we kill). Plague afflictions are easily cured and anyone prepared can easily shrug off our hunger attrition. If you check the envoy reports the cacophony has only ever submitted two, one just last month. Now that we have an envoy I think some of this stuff can be addresses but tie-ins with music and glamours/tarot are still pretty important.

Things like more ways to keep people from leaving, forcing us to leave, and hindering herb consumption/curing auric afflictions would greatly help. Maybe a glamour to make someone think they are trapped in an invisible box (weave mime box), an illusion to make people think they are deaf and blind when they aren't or some kind of horehound allergy. Something to tie the skills togethher instead of a barrage of random afflictions and annoyances.

Yes, 17 cha with +8 max buffs. Aka: One more than a non buffed elfen SS, and still 14 int. Irontongue is crap in a can.

Ethelon isn't really active. Honestly, Caco needs a new envoy. All this being said, I'm kind of fiddling around with a necroscream rewrite, but I'll need input and help. I'm new to Caco so I can judge that Necroscream sucks compared to WIldarrane and Shadowbeat, but how to rewrite it so it synergizes well will be difficult. Necroscream also had a special report if I remember correctly, and it resulted in a whole lot of nothing, while Wildarrane's special report resulted in...ugh. Just ugh.

The problem isn't with glamours, from what I can tell. Glamours if fine. Could use some tweaks with colourburst and such, but for the most part bards use music the most. Necroscream is what needs to be fixed.

I'll trade you, I hate Wildarranne. :/

I don't see that much wrong with Necroscream, I could kill just fine with it...

...what.
Surely you're not serious. Wildarrane is ridiculous.
In fact: Wildarrane is more OP WITH Glamours, because of the double balance loss.

I still don't like Wildarrane! I was considering coming back to Cacophony but Thoros doesn't like me

No, Celestines will never receive any sort of buffs because we already have inqui/soulless combos and trueheal. If inquisition were removed and trueheal destroyed, we could probably get somewhere, but until then, those are the only two skills anyone on the other side of the fence will look at and they will never bother to look at the other skills. Sacraments is okay (numen, judge, her/inf/inq, hallowedground), but could do with some work to make it equally useful between paladins/celestines.



At least it isn't as bad as Merian. That's a horrible race for any guild in Celest. Well, save for Paladin, but only artied/runed up Paladin. Even then, it's better to just go human (same applies to aqua).

Oh, yummy, yummy... what will follow after this one should be entertaining!
Celina, don't let us down! *rally*

Here's some ideas:

Illusorywall change: Give it a carcer effect on top of the masked exits. Maybe a small, 1 power(?) cost to cast on all the room's exits at once.
Something like "You halt in front of the wall, confidence thwarted by the quality of it's artifice."
Doesn't affect the blind.

New skill: ChromaticArmor. Gives 10 dmp to psychic. Has a chance to throw a colourburst affliction onto a non-blind attacker.

New skill: Synaesthesia. Power defense that allows you to cast Glamours effects on the blind if they're not deaf, and play Music effects to the deaf if they're not blind. Some things aren't affected, such as perfectfifth and the instakill song, which will still require deafness.

New skill: Chromaticbomb. 4-5 power attack that removes blindness and deafness, and gives earache and afterimage.

New skill: Gesamtkunstwerk.
Can PLAY GESAMTKUNTSTWERK on someone to combine colourburst and minorsecond as one attack (blindness protects against colourburst component, deafness protects against minorsecond component).
Edit: Gives minorsecond damage, a masked colourburst affliction and a chance of an extra unmasked colourburst affliction. So you'll get:

Coruscant motes surround Incabulos as he plays a stunning cacophony of notes on a chaotic viola, directing the fountain of sound and light towards you.
The gesamtkunstwerk tears through your eardrums and blisters your flesh. <--- minorsecond component.
Motes of colour bleed into your thoughts. <--- masked colourburst aff.
A violet haze dazzles you. <--- unmasked colourburst aff.

Wow don't try to make every skill overpowered at once or anything.

Overpowered is good.

Edit: Seriously, though. I don't get how it's overpowered. Elaborate.

No one dies to Necroscream other than threnody. People actually die to Wildarrane both actively and passively. You are an odd one.



They shouldn't recieve buffs. You've managed to kill Shikha with little to no skill involved. While you have uber skills like Trueheal and Inquisition, you just have to deal with the fact that you are limited. It's supposed to be that way. (Only you aren't really that limited lolol. Celestine is easily one of the strongest pk guilds out there). You aren't getting buffs because you don't need them, not because people have blinders on.

Agreed, Merian is horrible. The weaknesses make me cringe. Really the only spec race that is good across the board is Elfen. Should really be nerfed a bit, honestly.



No inky. NO.

Shikha isn't a great fighter to start with, so comparing a duel between her and me isn't a very good comparison at all. Secondly, most classes can kill with little to no skill involved (see: monks). Albeit, Celestine fighting is a little more black and white, you still have to have some knowledge of what you're doing to pull of a kill 1v1 . Inquisitioning someone and flinging a soulless doesn't always work.

I know you think trueheal is super OP, but there is also Divinefire. If you say TH is OP but DivineFire is not, you're sorely mistaken and need to look at the facts. Anyone can get TH, just be Demi or become an Ascendant. Not only do you get TH, but you get a better version of it.

I just can't wholly agree with you. I'm not saying, 'Make sacraments better than everything else!' because, obviously, that would cause imbalances. I would like it if Sacraments was good for both Paladins and Celestines (especially in the case of Celestine healers and astrologers, since it's mostly suited for tarot users), which would require a lot of changes. But, these changes will never come because, people like you (no offense), would not consider the points we would try to make and shoot it down every time just because we have TH and Inqui. Hence why I say, we'd have to completely remove inqui and TH in order to make Sacraments good for everyone, not just a few.

As far as spec races goes, Viscanti is pretty hot. Maybe not the best Caco or Ninjakari spec race, but certainly viable for the other guilds. I'm not really sure why Merian race got the shaft. You have to either choose between RP and fighting, and even then, merian's bashing is sorely crippling. So it really is, you choose merian because you just want to RP or you choose a better race so you can fight. Sacrificing some of that CHA for some buffs and con wouldn't be out of the question - I would love to be able to play a Merian, but I can't.

Glamours was seen as an "overpowered" skillset less than a year ago, and it hasn't received major nerfs as far as I recall in a long time. I'm not sure what has changed other than upgrades to Ecology. If Ecology is too good, or a particular Music specialization too good, perhaps the focus should be on those rather than upgrading Glamours, which seems to be viewed as underpowered following time rather than changes. I'd recommend speaking to your envoys and having them submit changes if you're interested in doing so.

Oh, just throwing it out there, a few of the Glamours AB's are incorrect.

I've no idea what's going on with it, really.

Again, NOTHING WRONG WITH GLAMOURS. Stop trying to buff it inky! Focus on Necroscream.

The way to fix this is to BUG or TYPO them. These sorts of things get fixed very quickly.