Hmm.

"Disruption always drops Barrier first."

There you go, a nice big nerf. Toss it to your envoy.

So I've heard all the arguments about why it IS viable but the only argument I've heard about it not being viable is the power cost associated.

Since there's no time limit on barrier wouldn't it be reasonable for the Geo to go into lockdown mode keeping their channels locked while waiting for that 3 power to regenerate so they can get the kill? Against some specific classes it won't work but most classes really don't have the skills necessary to stop a chasm.

I seem to recall Kaervas getting a lot of usage out of just such a tactic way back when.

msg Xenthos ((Ooooh Xenthos, my good envoy. I think you should envoy that disruption will always drop barrier first.))

msg Xenthos ((Ooooh Xenthos, my good envoy. I think you should envoy that disruption will always drop barrier first.))

My solution:

1. Read Disruption at/to @target

2. You cannot disrupt channels that have no offensive function. For example, forcefield or ironwill.

Edit:

Added #2

Well I admit to just ignoring the attempts to compare group coordinated insta kills to 1v1 insta kills. Obviously it's more difficult to get out of a pit (just like most things are more difficult) if a group is attacking you.

I approve.

Not sure about that, as allowing people to pick channels may be a bit too much for other things.

Edit: Ah, you edited. Okay.

So, eh, why suggest a nerf to a general skill when it's only a specific situation that is causing the problem?

Because we are all Mags irl apparently.

Because Desitrus has it now.

Nah, the reason they want to nerf chasm is because these nubs are being schooled by Ceren. Furthermore what's even more hilarious is Ceren has stated to me he hasn't barrier/chasmed people yet.

People just don't understand what it feels to be completely punked by a skilled combatant. Ceren is Lusternia's #1 fighter hands down. I spar him on a regular basis because he completely kicks my ass, and I really have nothing to say after each spar except "Wow what the heck."

Well, he has barrier/chasmed in choke, just not in a room with a ceiling. If he hasn't used this tactic at all, then it shouldn't affect him at all. All is good and well even if it is changed.

Precisely. I assume you'll be the envoy nerfing barrier this month? Or is this months envoy suggestion going to cater to Malicia's evil plots in making her more OP in groups than she already is.

Ceren is a great fighter, no question. I sincerely doubt he needs to barrier/chasm though he HAS done it. I had it done to me personally inside of Celest just the other day.

The entire point is that you don't need to be a brilliant fighter to pull it off. It is not difficult to pull off 1 v 1 and if you have a helper it is almost impossible NOT to pull off.

The problem isn't any one of the three conditions. It's the combination of them. Barrier by itself isn't really that big of a problem. Stonewalls by themselves are not that big of a problem. Chasm by itself is not that big of a problem. The three combined are a very, very difficult situation to get out of and it doesn't matter if it's a great fighter doing it or a crap fighter doing it.

POINT GUST AT

Or any of the other numerous ways to get out of barrier and/or chasm without pacification. Barrier is far from all powerful that some are trying to make it out to be. It's a great skill, but there are so many ways around it. Malicia, for instance, has 2 that I'm positive she has, and at least 3 more that I would put bet she has (or should have).

I'd list them off, but I don't think the TKs would appreciate it.

I've gotten plenty of chasm/barrier kills. Hell, I killed Xiel/Sarrasri in a 4(them)v2(us) in barrier with no walls because they freaked out and didn't even try to stop it. Yes, you can kill with barrier/chasm. No, you can't rely on it.

As you clearly did not bother reading the thread up until this point, I strongly advise you to do so. Have you tried gusting someone through a stonewall? It doesn't work. Have you tried gusting someone size 25 with bodydensity and malkuth? It doesn't work (well). You will literally fail at least 8/10 times.

Please stop responding to my posts, Narsrim. I really don't care that you think you know it all.

edit: And since we're advising eachother, I strongly advise you go play with something poisonous.

If they died to barrier + chasm to you solo with nothing else, then it was a mistake on their part. I'm not suggesting a change for that situation, I'm only suggesting an alteration of that situation, I'm fine with that existing. My only gripe is when you make the mage size 25 (so high summon resist with body density and malkuth), making gust fail more often than not, and stonewalls. Now you've a situation where odds are stacked against the victim too much, and basically the incentive for the suggestion.

NvM Nydekion made the point