Wish this wasn't posted as I had planned on envoying omen as it is and I don't want the whinefest to interfere with some changes. Though I wasn't going to look at damage but more along the lines of duration

How long does omen last if you don't cure it/die?

Amusing! I love it.

I wish people didn't reveal Omen is actually quite decent because when I try to make it better, people might be against it.

Well, in this log it lasts from /05:17:16.971/ to /05:17:38.830/ so 20sh seconds, give or take lag. Enough for thoros to hit 8 combos... It needs a duration upgrade? As it is only cured by focus spirit I can't even imagine...

Anyway, go test. Hit with omen 10x, hit without omen 10x. Same target etc.

Try a valid test, and you'll see that Omen actually increases the damage dealt by 50%, so it's not insignificant on its own.

I dunno what race he is in that log, I assume Viscanti. With 16 Cha (only netzach) I sit at 6329 ego. He would have 14 base with demigod + spec, looks about right. Unless he somehow has ego missing and isn't regenerating which means he didn't even rub rings before the test? Anyway, assuming Viscanti (20% Blunt absorb outside dmp), not sure about the TF but that would be another 15%, not sure if he has psiarmour locked, I heard you are using poison elementals now (not sure about that either) but that would be another 10% off your elemental damage, etc. I could see it being a legit 50% increase to what would have only been 250-300 damage per hammer in the first place.

Skewed perspective ftl. He's commenting more about the Celenwilde envoy block, not the skill. He also specifically mentioned he was envoying time, not damage, which was what this thread was about. Good lord, read closer.

20s, focus spirit cure = short????

Also how is there an envoy block when envoys can't even veto.

It's Celina, by now you should know the facts do not have to conform to the hypothesis.

I don't think anyone said short.

Block as in a chunk of envoys with similair mindsets, not a literal block via veto.

edit: Shut your all knowing pie hole, Gregori. Get a clue before you post. I haven't posted any facts or opinions about omen. Seriously, your whole obsession with posting about me is freaking weird.

I'm pretty sure she meant bloc. As in a voting bloc.

Well, if Romero says he wants to do something with duration, he certainly doesn't want to shorten the length, does he. Even if so, I'm sure he'll want to ask for something in return, maybe 80% more damage.

So I think I made a pretty fair inference.

Edit: Yeah yeah, how could there be two meanings for one word, what.

Final decision is always the administration's now. Thoros got in 8 combos. Assuming you are using 4s equi skills, that's 4 moves under omen. People without trans discipline can't even cure it, and if you do you are dropping 25% of your mana against a mana kill class. I would say these are... good things? Of course I do cocaine off the backs of every man, woman, and child in Celest, then smoke grass with all the hippies in Serenwilde...

Not to mention as a team skill on a focus target it produces kerblooey results.

Edit: And whether a literal block of an upgrade or a section of people with a similar mindset, neither one matters since the administration has the final say. Look at some of the reports where everyone responds with "Hooray yay" and the admins are all "Nay, nay."

Smokescreen, ftl. Any argument that tries to buff Omen must take into account it's impact and its duration. Romero was stating (as I read it) that he'll have a more difficult time trying to increase the duration because as has been put to light, Omen is pretty nice (even if Revan posts otherwise under conditions not stated).

I'm guessing you read the chasm while pinlegged thread, since you posted in it so often. Any conversation about skills alsmost always seems to drift off topic and pull in all kinds of rants about everything under the sun. Romero wanting to avoid the well, well, well, what about omen and xyz doesn't seem all that unreasonable.

Also, nerf trueheal

Right, your interpretation of his post is wrong and I corrected you. Glad we understand eachother.

@Desitrus: You don't have to argue Omen with me nor if an envoy bloc actually exists. I don't really care either way. Merely clearing up Narsrim's odd interpretation of Romero's post.

You know, no one would have brought Omen duration up if you know... Romero didn't bring it up himself.

I think more to the point was you cannot take damage and time as separate things in the Omen Equation. The two things have to be considered at once, for example, if you cut the time in half, you'd likely need a damage buff to compensate for the power cost. Or, should you increase the length, you would need to decrease the damage to compensate. I think that's what they were trying to say.

There's a lot of mixed messages here. In honor of that:

Which is a reasonable argument to make. Not really what Romero or Narsrim posted, but a good argument none the less.

For the record, if it's a bug, then it's a bug and this thread is dumb. If it's functioning as it's supposed to with 50% increase for 20 seconds, I see no issues. Great skill, wish I had it instead of minorseventh.