ROFL Omen?

by Revan

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Narsrim2009-01-21 21:47:56
QUOTE (casilu @ Jan 21 2009, 04:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think more to the point was you cannot take damage and time as separate things in the Omen Equation. The two things have to be considered at once, for example, if you cut the time in half, you'd likely need a damage buff to compensate for the power cost. Or, should you increase the length, you would need to decrease the damage to compensate. I think that's what they were trying to say.


I'm fairly certain Celina understood this point. She just likes to argue.
Desitrus2009-01-21 21:49:08
Stupid external link blocks, if my last post was blank GO BACK AND LOOK AGAIN!
Llandros2009-01-21 21:57:30
QUOTE (Desitrus @ Jan 21 2009, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There's a lot of mixed messages here. In honor of that:


I love how the person typing goes for something consensual only after a failed attempt at rape.
Desitrus2009-01-21 22:03:55
QUOTE (Llandros @ Jan 21 2009, 03:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I love how the person typing goes for something consensual only after a failed attempt at rape.


Blue hell bar is a rough place, what can I say?
Ashteru2009-01-21 22:43:43
Sounds like my kind of club.
Revan2009-01-21 22:46:25
Conditions: Viscanti, stoneskin, elementshield, 70/63 robes, 40/40 shield.

No psiarmour or TF (TF faded a couple days ago)
Unknown2009-01-21 22:58:05
o Resistance to poison damage, level 1.
o Resistance to blunt damage, level 2.

There you go, mystery solved on why omen 'sucks'!
Acrune2009-01-21 23:22:31
Why has no one posted comparison logs of omen vs non-omen? If you're going to complain about the effectiveness of a damage boosting skill, you're going to need to show what the damage is without it, with all other conditions the same. confused.gif
Celina2009-01-22 04:04:08
QUOTE (Sojiro @ Jan 21 2009, 05:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
o Resistance to poison damage, level 1.
o Resistance to blunt damage, level 2.

There you go, mystery solved on why omen 'sucks'!


I dunno, Thoros also said he had a TF...so Viscanti has 20% blunt and 10% poison instead of the 15% to all. I'm not going to do the math (because I suck at it) but it seems like the Viscanti point is nullified by the lack of TF.
Acrune2009-01-22 04:15:45
QUOTE (Celina @ Jan 21 2009, 11:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I dunno, Thoros also said he had a TF...so Viscanti has 20% blunt and 10% poison instead of the 15% to all. I'm not going to do the math (because I suck at it) but it seems like the Viscanti point is nullified by the lack of TF.


There's no need to do the math. Give a log with omen. Then give another log without it, with everything else the same. It will then be simple to see that Thoros and Revan decided to see if they could get omen buffed by posting a log of using a low damage blunt weapon on a person who is wearing splendor and is resistant to blunt damage.

Its like magic! ohyeah.gif
Rika2009-01-22 04:30:50
Hey, maybe we might even get to nerf Magnagora out of this! laugh.gif
Casilu2009-01-22 04:50:27
QUOTE (Celina @ Jan 21 2009, 08:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I dunno, Thoros also said he had a TF...so Viscanti has 20% blunt and 10% poison instead of the 15% to all. I'm not going to do the math (because I suck at it) but it seems like the Viscanti point is nullified by the lack of TF.


I will, then. Assuming poison runes and no true favour, we discover that 66% of the damage will be blunt and 33% will be poison. Then, only 80% of the blunt gets through, which means he only takes 52.8% of the damage from the blunt and only 90% of the poison will get through, 29.7% of the poison damage gets through. which means about 82.5% of the damage makes it through. This, of course, does not factor in robes or anything else. (123% damage with Omen's 150% increase applied after the reductions.))


If we assume the TF as well, that puts at 85% off the top. 56.1% blunt from the original 100 and 28.05% off the normal 33%. Factoring in racial resists, 44.88% of the damage from blunt, and then 25.245% poison. Factor that back in means we have 70% of the damage make it through. (105% with omen.)

All of this is assuming my math is right. (Haven't done math like that in years.)

Edit: Those final percents would be damage against someone like me, no TF and no resists.
Nydekion2009-01-22 04:51:24
Hm, the last time I tested Omen (about 1 real life year ago), it was a 2p skill that lasted 12 seconds and gave a 40% flat damage buff. If it's 50% now, it's either just conjecture or it got a ninja buff along the way somewhere.
Gregori2009-01-22 05:02:25
You are all missing a very important point here. Right on page 1, second post.

QUOTE (Thoros LaSaet @ Jan 21 2009, 04:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nerf omen.


I agree! Let's get busy on that nerf. Thoros is a wise man for suggesting it.
Nydekion2009-01-22 05:12:46
Oh, right. How silly of me. tongue.gif
Morhgor2009-01-22 07:25:30
My conclusions about some envoys :

Unknown2009-01-22 09:16:33
A better conclusion.


Aison2009-01-22 13:42:56
QUOTE (Llandros @ Jan 21 2009, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm guessing you read the chasm while pinlegged thread, since you posted in it so often. Any conversation about skills alsmost always seems to drift off topic and pull in all kinds of rants about everything under the sun. Romero wanting to avoid the well, well, well, what about omen and xyz doesn't seem all that unreasonable.

Also, nerf trueheal


Nerf divinefire.

QUOTE (Acrune @ Jan 21 2009, 03:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why has no one posted comparison logs of omen vs non-omen? If you're going to complain about the effectiveness of a damage boosting skill, you're going to need to show what the damage is without it, with all other conditions the same. confused.gif


If they did this, it would make them look like metagamers who abuse things. No one wants to face that reality.
Unknown2009-01-22 14:04:10
QUOTE (tenqual @ Jan 22 2009, 04:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A better conclusion.


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Unknown2009-01-22 14:06:56
QUOTE (Salvation @ Jan 23 2009, 12:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nothing beats the anthem of the Boyz.

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