ROFL Omen?

by Revan

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Vathael2009-01-22 23:15:05
Why not? I didn't use Omen while having Necromancy. Am I not allowed to state my observation while a Mag or something? I'm missing the ForumRP here, apparently.
Xenthos2009-01-22 23:26:52
QUOTE (Vathael @ Jan 22 2009, 06:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why not? I didn't use Omen while having Necromancy. Am I not allowed to state my observation while a Mag or something? I'm missing the ForumRP here, apparently.

Sure, you're allowed to state your observations. Just as Rika did. happy.gif
Vathael2009-01-22 23:31:21
This thread isn't even 3 weeks old, how am I supposed to have voiced my thoughts on it 3 weeks ago?
Desitrus2009-01-23 00:19:51
QUOTE (Zacc @ Jan 22 2009, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nothing at all.

WHO if said person doesn't have a gem of cloaking. Oooor, in my case, HELP CANTORS and I bet you'll figure it out within 2 minutes... especially if this masked person is wielding a lyre, celestian shield, or cauldron wink.gif

Now as for gems of cloaking + masks... Well, I'd rather not spoil that.

But weaving illusions with or without a mask has little difference since no one sees when you weave the illusion. I suppose Glamour would be the equivalent... but at least you can WHO HERE to see a glamoured person.

The only imbalance I can think of would be that, unless you can figure out who the masked person is, someone could easily run around during a revolt and influence stuff. Masks don't fall when influencing, but they do when debating (and campaigning for sanctuary) sad.gif

Now back to Omen... No buffs for Omen, please. Thoros doesn't need to do MORE damage (neither does Ixion and the rest of them). Thanks!


You sort of missed the point of that, eh?
Romero2009-01-23 03:34:47
And that is the reason I don't want it on forums. People who aren't envoys getting up in my envoys biznass.
Unknown2009-01-23 03:47:10
QUOTE (Romero @ Jan 23 2009, 01:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And that is the reason I don't want it on forums. People who aren't envoys getting up in my envoys biznass.

Not that I care in the slightest about Omen, but aren't you supposed to be representing the rest of the playerbase, as an envoy? As in, bringing our concerns to the admin, whether raised in game (where ooc skill discussions are more problematic) or on the forums.

Edit: The elitism of 'I'm an envoy, it means I'm such a top tier combatant that my ideas alone should determine skill changes and anyone who can't kill me automatically fails every argument' is what I hated most about the envoy system. Not that I'm saying you have that particular misconception, of course.
Unknown2009-01-23 04:01:06
QUOTE (Avaer @ Jan 23 2009, 04:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not that I care in the slightest about Omen, but aren't you supposed to be representing the rest of the playerbase, as an envoy? As in, bringing our concerns to the admin, whether raised in game (where ooc skill discussions are more problematic) or on the forums.

Edit: The elitism of 'I'm an envoy, it means I'm such a top tier combatant that my ideas alone should determine skill changes and anyone who can't kill me automatically fails every argument' is what I hated most about the envoy system. Not that I'm saying you have that particular misconception, of course.


He can say whatever he wants on forums. Forums != the game
Narsrim2009-01-23 04:59:19
QUOTE (Avaer @ Jan 22 2009, 10:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not that I care in the slightest about Omen, but aren't you supposed to be representing the rest of the playerbase, as an envoy? As in, bringing our concerns to the admin, whether raised in game (where ooc skill discussions are more problematic) or on the forums.

Edit: The elitism of 'I'm an envoy, it means I'm such a top tier combatant that my ideas alone should determine skill changes and anyone who can't kill me automatically fails every argument' is what I hated most about the envoy system. Not that I'm saying you have that particular misconception, of course.


I likewise hate the "I don't put that much effort into combat, but skill X bugs me theoretically so as an envoy, I'm going to suggest a nerf for it because my lack of ability/talent/effort." See: AnimatedDagger, which is thanks to you an utterly worthless skill.
Aison2009-01-23 05:14:07
This thread is inconsistent. It's lost the lulz. And also, the point.

Omen's fine the way it is. Why would you (read: romero) need to envoy it?
Geb2009-01-23 05:21:34
Conduct a test on a person with no racial resistances, no damage reduction buffs, and no armour. As was said before, conduct this test with the attacker not using omen, and then with the attacker using omen. Compare the damage from the two. If Omen is not giving the percent increase damage it is suppose to, then bug it. If it is giving the damage it is suppose to, then it should be left alone.

Low damage weapons do low damage. A percent damage boost of a low damage hit, will still probably create a low damage hit. So, the test conducted is invalid until what I mentioned above is done.
Shiri2009-01-23 05:23:25
QUOTE (Aison @ Jan 23 2009, 05:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This thread is inconsistent. It's lost the lulz. And also, the point.

Omen's fine the way it is. Why would you (read: romero) need to envoy it?

Well, he says sometimes it lasts 12 seconds instead of 20, which seems like you could call it a valid concern. I doubt that's all though, given the worry that Celestian envoys are going to attack the idea...eh.
Xavius2009-01-23 05:27:20
QUOTE (Shiri @ Jan 22 2009, 11:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, he says sometimes it lasts 12 seconds instead of 20, which seems like you could call it a valid concern. I doubt that's all though, given the worry that Celestian envoys are going to attack the idea...eh.

I know, right? Someone ought to bug that 20 second duration thing.
Aison2009-01-23 05:29:16
if he wants to make a valid point and bring up that it could possibly be bugged or was ninja nerfed somewhere along the way, he should take Geb's advice and do some real testing and not cut corners like ickle Revan did here. If there's a problem with Omen, one that actually exists, well, you know, go-go fixing skills gadget.
Revan2009-01-23 05:42:36
I didn't cut any corners. I just posted at someone's request. You guys are all awesomely hilarious biggrin.gif
Unknown2009-01-23 06:28:14
QUOTE (Narsrim @ Jan 23 2009, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I likewise hate the "I don't put that much effort into combat, but skill X bugs me theoretically so as an envoy, I'm going to suggest a nerf for it because my lack of ability/talent/effort." See: AnimatedDagger, which is thanks to you an utterly worthless skill.

Thanks to us, I think you mean. wink.gif But enough hijacking, I don't even remember it being changed.
Unknown2009-01-23 13:37:27
Omen's duration is a random number in a specific range. It's not a bug. It's a feature.

And, I sorta agree with Avaer and Narsrim both that the problem with the Envoy system is the elitists (i.e., not representing the players' concerns, but pushing their own agendas) and the non-combatants (i.e., trying to balance combat without an understanding of what's involved). I actually fell more into the latter category, and I think I did the responsible thing in asking to be replaced. Heh.
Shiri2009-01-23 13:52:31
Random number in a specific range would make sense, but if Romero didn't screw up his testing or similar, he got 12, 12, 12, 20, 12 as the durations. That doesn't seem "random" to me per se. It's probably something he should bug, now that I think of it, actually.
Unknown2009-01-23 14:12:39
Romero was unlucky or inaccurate then. I ran my own timing test and my results were 12.35, 13.97, 22.15, 23.77, and 19.08.
Desitrus2009-01-23 15:04:56
QUOTE (Zarquan @ Jan 23 2009, 08:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Romero was unlucky or inaccurate then. I ran my own timing test and my results were 12.35, 13.97, 22.15, 23.77, and 19.08.


You crazy bastard with your numbers, and your valid testing, and your maths.
Nydekion2009-01-23 17:21:35
Wow, I wasn't aware that omen could last that long. Nasty.