Elostian. He doesn't quite tease Saaga like that anymore, though. I like how he randomly "pesters" people, actually engaging them in meaningful conversation.Score is now Elostian 1, Rika 0. Anyone else wanna play? 
QUOTE (Gwylifar @ Jan 23 2009, 10:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Score is now Elostian 1, Rika 0. Anyone else wanna play?
You didn't even explain that! And you aren't Elostian!
QUOTE (Gwylifar @ Jan 23 2009, 05:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Score is now Elostian 1, Rika 0. Anyone else wanna play?
Since you mentioned it, I got one, even thought it is a loooong time ago:
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Emanating from the aether, a sonorous multi-toned voice says, "What are you
doing?"
You get up off a long black leather couch.
You hop about the area madly.
A quiet chuckle emanates from the aether.
You have emoted: Caerulo glances around the room.
Emanating from the aether, a sonorous multi-toned voice says, "Are you going to
answer?"
You say, "Ah, well, I was thinking. Very hard."
Emanating from the aether, a sonorous multi-toned voice says, "On what?"
You say, "Mother Night and colour."
You say, "I'm sorry, I don't tend to trust voices that appear to have no
sources."
You have emoted: Caerulo continues to sweep the area with his eyes.
Emanating from the aether, a sonorous multi-toned voice says, "Everything has a
source, therefore your statement would appear paradoxical."
You say, "Ah, but I did mention 'appear', didn't I?"
Emanating from the aether, a sonorous multi-toned voice says, "What did you
consider concerning the colour of mother night?"
You ponder the situation.
You say, "When Mother Night's gracious shadows fall on anything, their colours
mute in respect of her power."
You say, "Also, Mother Night's favoured colour is black. Is it not true that
black is composed of all other colours? Even though I am not an artist, one
learns early in life that when many paints are mixed together, the end result is
black."
You say, "Of course, as I've mentioned, this train of thought is still in the
process of being polished, and not quite perfectly explained."
You say, "I've yet to have brought those observations to any conclusions."
Emanating from the aether, a sonorous multi-toned voice says, "Is night just
black or is it merely the absence of colour?"
You scratch your head looking for an idea.
You say, "So, is Night the absence of colour, or is it the sum of all colours,
hrm?"
You ponder the situation.
Emanating from the aether, a sonorous multi-toned voice says, "If night is the
sum of all colours, why do all colours fade to back when she appears?"
You say, "Wouldn't red tint turn black should you pour ink on it? Similarly,
Night's shadows would act as the black paint of the tapestry of the Basin."
Emanating from the aether, a sonorous multi-toned voice says, "Yes, but one
cannot remove the black tint after having added it. Night eventually retreats,
leaving the original colour."
Caerulo nods his head as he ponders carefully.
Emanating from the aether, a sonorous multi-toned voice says, "You ponder your
answers well, it would seem."
A quiet chuckle emanates from the aether.
You say, "Far too carefully, I should say myself."
Emanating from the aether, a sonorous multi-toned voice says, "How would you
retort to My earlier statement then?"
You smile and say, "As it is, I'm still thinking on it."
An amused laughter emanates from the aether.
Emanating from the aether, a sonorous multi-toned voice says, "Then ponder on
it, and I shall return for an answer at a later time."
You nod your head.
Emanating from the aether, a sonorous multi-toned voice says, "You consider well
and do indeed think deep. This pleases Me."
Elostian, the Enigma has bestowed His divine strongfavour upon you. It will last
for 3 days.
Comprehension flashes across your face.
Emanating from the aether, a sonorous multi-toned voice says, "We shall speak
again."
You nod your head.
With a flourish of your arm, you bow deeply.
You sit yourself down on a long black leather couch and make yourself
comfortable.
You scratch your head looking for an idea.
doing?"
You get up off a long black leather couch.
You hop about the area madly.
A quiet chuckle emanates from the aether.
You have emoted: Caerulo glances around the room.
Emanating from the aether, a sonorous multi-toned voice says, "Are you going to
answer?"
You say, "Ah, well, I was thinking. Very hard."
Emanating from the aether, a sonorous multi-toned voice says, "On what?"
You say, "Mother Night and colour."
You say, "I'm sorry, I don't tend to trust voices that appear to have no
sources."
You have emoted: Caerulo continues to sweep the area with his eyes.
Emanating from the aether, a sonorous multi-toned voice says, "Everything has a
source, therefore your statement would appear paradoxical."
You say, "Ah, but I did mention 'appear', didn't I?"
Emanating from the aether, a sonorous multi-toned voice says, "What did you
consider concerning the colour of mother night?"
You ponder the situation.
You say, "When Mother Night's gracious shadows fall on anything, their colours
mute in respect of her power."
You say, "Also, Mother Night's favoured colour is black. Is it not true that
black is composed of all other colours? Even though I am not an artist, one
learns early in life that when many paints are mixed together, the end result is
black."
You say, "Of course, as I've mentioned, this train of thought is still in the
process of being polished, and not quite perfectly explained."
You say, "I've yet to have brought those observations to any conclusions."
Emanating from the aether, a sonorous multi-toned voice says, "Is night just
black or is it merely the absence of colour?"
You scratch your head looking for an idea.
You say, "So, is Night the absence of colour, or is it the sum of all colours,
hrm?"
You ponder the situation.
Emanating from the aether, a sonorous multi-toned voice says, "If night is the
sum of all colours, why do all colours fade to back when she appears?"
You say, "Wouldn't red tint turn black should you pour ink on it? Similarly,
Night's shadows would act as the black paint of the tapestry of the Basin."
Emanating from the aether, a sonorous multi-toned voice says, "Yes, but one
cannot remove the black tint after having added it. Night eventually retreats,
leaving the original colour."
Caerulo nods his head as he ponders carefully.
Emanating from the aether, a sonorous multi-toned voice says, "You ponder your
answers well, it would seem."
A quiet chuckle emanates from the aether.
You say, "Far too carefully, I should say myself."
Emanating from the aether, a sonorous multi-toned voice says, "How would you
retort to My earlier statement then?"
You smile and say, "As it is, I'm still thinking on it."
An amused laughter emanates from the aether.
Emanating from the aether, a sonorous multi-toned voice says, "Then ponder on
it, and I shall return for an answer at a later time."
You nod your head.
Emanating from the aether, a sonorous multi-toned voice says, "You consider well
and do indeed think deep. This pleases Me."
Elostian, the Enigma has bestowed His divine strongfavour upon you. It will last
for 3 days.
Comprehension flashes across your face.
Emanating from the aether, a sonorous multi-toned voice says, "We shall speak
again."
You nod your head.
With a flourish of your arm, you bow deeply.
You sit yourself down on a long black leather couch and make yourself
comfortable.
You scratch your head looking for an idea.
After that, Shayle flew into a fury, as it was in the Shadowdancers' guildhall, and there were Elostian germs all over the place, and I had to perform a ritual to clean up the place.
Shayle and Elostian.QUOTE (daganev @ Jan 23 2009, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm pretty sure its the cosmological explanation in Lusternia.
'Nature' is a thing, all those other words you used were just concepts.
'Nature' is a thing, all those other words you used were just concepts.
It's not that cut and dry, when the tainted fae were wandering around the basin/Faethorn, or when Glomdoring was Tainted, did that reveal that Taint was a part of Nature? What about the areas that do not have an Ethereal reflection that has yet been revealed, like the deserts or valleys or mountain ranges, are they unnatural? What about the catacombs of the dead, and the ruins of Shallach, is that area and the undead within entirely natural because it is linked to the Ethereal plane? Are the Ur'guard the closest guild to Nature because they actually have a past tied directly to existence on the Ethereal plane? What about 'Light' and 'Taint', these are actual things as well that aren't always defined simply.
After all, Hartstone/Blacktalon bridge the physical and ethereal worlds to allow glimpses of Ethereal/Wyrd forest from the prime plane, yet we know that Nature rebels against this ability, and abhors it.
There are a lot of interpretations that can be made, you can't say that every character viewpoint that doesn't agree with your player interpretation is necessarily wrong or contradictory. Just different, you have to keep an open mind and remember that there is a lot of depth in these concepts and there are multiple ways you can set up your character to define them.
I know this is a big digression and apologies... I just dislike when people assume that their beliefs are correct and everyone else should believe the same thing or they're wrong. It's one of the worst qualities of many organizations, particularly fundamentalist religion.
I liked the original log a lot, you're lucky to have such a great Patron that prompts you to question these things!
Edit: And the other log is just as nifty, what an interesting discussion!
QUOTE (Avaer @ Jan 22 2009, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I liked the original log a lot, you're lucky to have such a great Patron that prompts you to question these things!
He's not my Patron
(Nys follows another Divine, not telling who 
)He just happened to pick me to talk to, I guess.
I was definately not prepared for a conversation this heavy. I was rather disappointed that I didn't go further with what I was given.
Elostian picks random people to talk to I suppose. Caerulo doesn't follow Elostian either. That's part of what makes him so awesome.
Edit: It was great timing too. I really was thinking on that subject for a guild lecture or ritual, and he happened to pop up, so I at least had a teensy bit of material to start with, unlike poor Nys who was 'jumped' by Elostian.
Edit: It was great timing too. I really was thinking on that subject for a guild lecture or ritual, and he happened to pop up, so I at least had a teensy bit of material to start with, unlike poor Nys who was 'jumped' by Elostian.
QUOTE (Greleag @ Jan 24 2009, 01:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Goes to show that at least one of the statements "Things created by Dynara are natural.", "The Soulless are not natural." and "Dynara created the Soulless." is false. Serenwilde/Glomdoring really really need to come up with a working definition of nature. Mag and Celest did it, you can too!
Duh, Nature is anything the Serenwilde says is Nature. Everyone else's definitions are irrelevant
.