Isuka2009-01-26 21:18:49
QUOTE (caffrey @ Jan 26 2009, 01:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'll admit it's getting better, especially with SP1, but I don't like the way it deals with the network. I found it to be quite slow and although tweaks such as the TCP autotuning disable, disabling unneeded services etc did improve it, it's still slower than XP. I still find it quicker to log in to a 2003 server to set NTFS permission (which I have to do regularly) than to attempt to do it straight from Vista, even with the added login time.
It's not so much a dislike anymore I suppose, it has grown on me (like a tumor). It's that actually there are no killer features in Vista that make me want it. Windows Aero leaves me cold, I mean honeslty how often do you use the scrolling apps feature? Besides to call collegues over and show them how cool it looks? The search feature is not something I have ever found I need (I know where things are!) and UAC is a pain. I know I can disable UAC, and I know from a security point of view it is an additional layer of protection (such as better protection pre-patch with the recent XML data vulnerability MS08-078), but as a network admininstrator I just found it endlessly irritating.
I guess actually XP just did everything I wanted, and Vista to me only offered the same, but at a slower speed.
It's not so much a dislike anymore I suppose, it has grown on me (like a tumor). It's that actually there are no killer features in Vista that make me want it. Windows Aero leaves me cold, I mean honeslty how often do you use the scrolling apps feature? Besides to call collegues over and show them how cool it looks? The search feature is not something I have ever found I need (I know where things are!) and UAC is a pain. I know I can disable UAC, and I know from a security point of view it is an additional layer of protection (such as better protection pre-patch with the recent XML data vulnerability MS08-078), but as a network admininstrator I just found it endlessly irritating.
I guess actually XP just did everything I wanted, and Vista to me only offered the same, but at a slower speed.
I have to admit that I'm a tool for a pretty UI, and the look and feel of Aero is superior to XP, so I give Vista that. It doesn't look as nice as some of my linux window managers, but it still looks pretty damned good.
7 being released so soon is a pain my my because that means I'm going to have to buy it to stay up to date with MCSE, and I only bought Vista like 8 months ago.
Also: UAC was a horrible idea. They did it to try to compete with security features on unix and linux, but they botched it horribly. The first thing I do with a Vista install is disable it.
Aison2009-01-26 21:27:21
QUOTE (Isuka @ Jan 26 2009, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I use Vista, and I like it (on my bleeding edge PC with hardware all chosen specifically for Vista).
That said: Vista is still awful for any organization trying to roll it out over multiple types of machines. I did some technical contracting for a school district recently and they gave me a list of reasons why they refuse to support Vista on their server. It was quite large.
Also: XP was the exact same way at the stage Vista is on now. It was a complete cluster:censor: trying to get it to support drivers when you had multiple you were working with. It took quite a while (and mostly was solved by hardware devs finally rolling out XP compatible drivers) to get XP to be so functional. Vista will get there eventually. The problem is Microsoft not supporting backwards compatibility that actually works.
That said: Vista is still awful for any organization trying to roll it out over multiple types of machines. I did some technical contracting for a school district recently and they gave me a list of reasons why they refuse to support Vista on their server. It was quite large.
Also: XP was the exact same way at the stage Vista is on now. It was a complete cluster:censor: trying to get it to support drivers when you had multiple you were working with. It took quite a while (and mostly was solved by hardware devs finally rolling out XP compatible drivers) to get XP to be so functional. Vista will get there eventually. The problem is Microsoft not supporting backwards compatibility that actually works.
The difference between XP and Vista is that XP eventually stabilized and became a very good OS. I have yet to see that on Vista. I used my sister's laptop that has Vista on it for two weeks, and had more problems with it in those two weeks than I ever had with my archaic computer with XP on it.
It looks nice. It's pretty. It seems as though it would run really well. But it doesn't. I'll wait for Windows 7 , because that's going to take the best from both worlds.
Daganev2009-01-26 21:36:51
I want to install windows 7 right now, but it disturbs me that I'll be forced to buy windows 7 as soon as it is released if I want to continue using that computer. (and there is no way to upgrade to the released version of windows 7 without reinstalling everything)
Caffrey2009-01-26 21:40:47
QUOTE (Isuka @ Jan 26 2009, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
7 being released so soon is a pain my my because that means I'm going to have to buy it to stay up to date with MCSE, and I only bought Vista like 8 months ago.
Bah, don't remind me, I need to update my MCSE at some point too. I've so far done the NT4, 2000 and 2003 ones and frankly I have no motivation to get 2008 at the moment.
Isuka2009-01-26 22:03:53
QUOTE (Aison @ Jan 26 2009, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The difference between XP and Vista is that XP eventually stabilized and became a very good OS. I have yet to see that on Vista. I used my sister's laptop that has Vista on it for two weeks, and had more problems with it in those two weeks than I ever had with my archaic computer with XP on it.
It looks nice. It's pretty. It seems as though it would run really well. But it doesn't. I'll wait for Windows 7 , because that's going to take the best from both worlds.
It looks nice. It's pretty. It seems as though it would run really well. But it doesn't. I'll wait for Windows 7 , because that's going to take the best from both worlds.
In all fairness, Vista works very well for me. I haven't actually had it crash on me in about six months (which is a record for me) and it rums very smoothly. Though, like I said, I have a bleeding edge machine that I built personally specifically to work well with Vista. When I was running it on an inferior machine i had a ton of problems.
Aison2009-01-27 06:49:02
QUOTE (stangmar @ Jan 23 2009, 09:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's all good there. He has XP Home Edition, and both of my CD's are XP Home Edition. I hate how Vista has half a dozen different package levels. I miss having just Home and Professional. Hopefully Windows 7 doesn't turn out to be a complete up.
I found this and wanted to share:
Desitrus2009-01-27 07:07:42
I've been running Vista Ultimate 64 bit since I built the new bleeding edge rig a few months ago, zero issues and I am in some pretty high end alphas/betas.
Stangmar2009-01-27 16:37:43
I'm sitting happy right now with what I'm using
Dell Inspiron 8200(circa 2003ish)
Windows XP Home Edition
40 GB HD
1.6 GHZ processor
1 GB RAM(Originally 128 MB )
32 MB GeForce 2
Probably the slowest CD-R drive on the planet, and plays DVD's alrightish
Not an awesome gamer by any means, but it will play Age of Empires 2 :lmao:
And, it boots up extremely quick. But, when I get back to the states in March 2011, I'll buy/build something more up to date.
Dell Inspiron 8200(circa 2003ish)
Windows XP Home Edition
40 GB HD
1.6 GHZ processor
1 GB RAM(Originally 128 MB )
32 MB GeForce 2
Probably the slowest CD-R drive on the planet, and plays DVD's alrightish
Not an awesome gamer by any means, but it will play Age of Empires 2 :lmao:
And, it boots up extremely quick. But, when I get back to the states in March 2011, I'll buy/build something more up to date.