In essence you could do something like BOOKBIND SAMPLE or FORGE SAMPLE

This command produces an illusionary version of the item in question which can't be used and vanishs upon leaving the workshop. Only good for showing people items without having to send them long, vuagly out of context tells with the item description.

Yes please. I spend half my time copy/pasting examined for beds/thrones/chests. Even if you could TELL PERSON EXAMINED ARTISAN #, that would work nicely.

I demand the ability to divy-up food into samples as well. And if that is accepted, I can work with the other Cooks and provide sample descriptions for recipes.

nil yeah, but could artisans get an illusory show room cause we uuuh don't have a work shop. Or just have a show room that anyone can use

The showroom is a pretty neat idea.

I don't think the showroom would really work because it would be mechanically quite impossible (I think?), unless only public designs are included. Letting everyone see -all- designs is a nono I think and setting something like permissions for each person based on cartels they are in and skill level would be the part that is mechanically impossible (I think?).

The idea is really nice though, being a picky about pretty much everything I want to get I'm either forced to piss off the Tradesperson for hours and hours, sometimes only to realize they have nothing I like, or go and try to design it myself straight away.

I guess one option would be to make something similar to "whatever-was-that-thingie-that-Lendren-had-for-zMUD", where you can easily access the desings you have available and send them to the customer who's inquiring. It could be taken a bit further and instead of telling or speak a lenghty description, it would work similary to showoff emote. Like... Opening the catalogue/sketchbook TradespersonX shows you a sketch of WhatEver: .

Alas, showroom would be cool though, no more bothering people for designs and descriptions, just go to a showroom, find something you like, find which cartel it is, contact the person who can make it.

Why would it be hard to set the permissions? Aren't they already set on what we can CRAFT? It should be a simple matter of, if we can CRAFT it, we can EXAMPLECRAFT or whatever the syntax would be.

Umm... I guess it would be possible, I didn't consider an option where instead of making an all new system, it's implemented in the existing one where what you can craft depends on your skills and cartels you're in. Though showing sketches would make more sense than an Artisan crafting me 20 different thrones on demand so I can choose one, well, from IC point of view at least.

They could be miniature models?

Remember that lusternia is a world of magic, who says I need to actually make it?

Couldn't I just as easily use some form of lucidian creation (computer) that projects an illusion (hologram) of the design sketch I have. Public designs might be available to anyone but at the same time, is there really any issue with allowing people to view cartel specific designs if they know the designs number?

Or they could just have a bookshelf in the various workshops with all the designs in them. No need for massive coding and people can research on their own. Then, the various cartels could choose to include their designs or not.

This is a good idea. All the workshops are indoors, right? They can all have bookshelves. Each Cartel can make an org book with all of their designs (or all the ones they want to circulate, some Cartels might have designs set aside for specific people/purposes they wouldn't want just anyone having) in them and customers could go to the workshop, scan through the books till they found the design they wanted and then it's just a matter of contacting someone in that Cartel. The books could even list Cartel members and skill levels in the front or something.

Kharaen is working on doing something like that and selling them, isn't she?

I know that the Harbingers have a book with some of the instrument designs. I also think it's pretty unwieldy and difficult to update. I like the showroom idea better. I guess in the books we pretend it's like a blueprint or a sketch or whatever, but I thought I'd heard that updating books was a bit buggy?

Bookshelves aren't like the Library. You can shelve the copy in bookshelves while the original can be kept by the Trademaster. And if the Trademaster has the original, when he/she updates it, any copies update as well.

The only thing they would need to change is that cartels can have private librarys. They could even just make it so only the org based cartels can do it. Then with just a little work from the player base and boom, done.

A bookshelf is a private library. There doesn't need to be one for every cartel... just one bookshelf and any cartel who wants their designs in the bookshelf puts them there. Any who doesn't, doesn't.

I agree, but i just checked and only orders, guilds and manses can have private libraries, so there would need to be a small change to allow them to be put in workshops.

edit: i guess it could be a project to just go in a public library.

Ahh! I didn't realize that! Thanks for the brain-wrinkle!

Yeah, a small change like that would be necessary then.

Or they could make a spot in the World Library where there was a bookshelf that any trademaster could shelve things onto. So people could go publish their designs publicly if they wanted to, or not if they didn't.

Do you guys know how much work it is to make and maintain these tradecraft records? It's a lot of very boring and tedious work (although the search by weapontype made cataloging forging a lot easier) and the biggest problem is that it is very difficult to keep it neat and clean, AND add all the full examined descriptions into the catalogue. Having an illusory sample would allow the potential customer to see the item in question exactly as it would appear in the real world, without needing to copy, paste, and format billions of lines of text.

I would assume that the tradesperson showing off their samples would only be able to showoff things that they can actually craft, so I'm all for the idea of Saran's 'lucidian computer thingy'. It would be absolutely amazing.