And then letting a substitute handle the class. The Dean should have taught it.

Hey look, I was right after all.

But it's so much easier. Everyone needs to believe they're better than someone, even if they actually aren't. Women like to believe they're better than men, and current culture has men believing they need to be "fixed" by the girls, so they look at other men. The skinny ones call the big ones massive roidragers for being so obviously drug abusers, the small ones call the skinny ones prissy little effeminate sobs. Hardwired human tendency, just like accepting the inevitable. (oops! Derail imminent. Someone get the hose before Verithrax draws himself away from whatever perceived injustice he is railing at.) I know a member of 4RAR will be able to run me into the ground no matter how fit I am, but I like to believe I can keep up with them just because I can pass their basic fitness test. Everyone has their little foibles, and some are just handed out by the culture of our time.

Err... what?

"You're not fixed if you don't moisturise and take extreme care with your clothes and hair."

That's by no means universal, but fairly common in metropolitan areas and certain media depictions aimed at young adults. Obviously that's not the only example, or even hideously common. Masculinity = bad according to the media, and certain segments of the population follow along.

Even if there is some promotion of metrosexual men in media, don't let it get to you cause it's bs, women need men to be masculine. It doesn't mean you need to be all neanderthal about it though. It's generally a good idea to take care of yourself (not extreme, just common sense and playing to your strengths).

Rofl. I believe you missed Yrael's point entirely.

I barely understood Yrael but from where I'm standing it looked like Kashim ended up agreeing with his sentiment anyway.

I think Kashim's avatar is giving this page of the thread a....yeah. Not sure what Yrael said at all...

I'm going to toss out that part of the reactions might be from the US educational system as well - here, we pay for college, so it is perceived as a service to YOU, rather than a boon and a privilege like it is in other countries. This payment for services system can create a sense of entitlement and more cavalier attitude towards education, backed up by admin reluctant to overly enforce or punish because they are dealing with "paying customers."

I agree with the paying customer thing to a degree, but I actually think the problem is the lack of choice. The leaving age for students has been creeping up year by year. During my lifetime at least the official school leaving age has been 16yo, but now the policy is set to change so that young people will be expected to stay in education until 18yo as a minimum. Add to that there is a policy of increasing Uni intake year on year so that more and more people stay in education much longer. It used to be a straight choice between work and education at 16yo but now its a choice of education or education. While I can see the benefit of that in terms of giving chances to a much wider population I do think it means that young people retain their immaturity until much later. The "schoolkid" attitude remains, many students don't want to be there and don't enjoy study, but it is now the expected thing to do to stay on. Education remains as a "chore" to get through, not as a privilege. I'm actually speaking from experience on this as well. During my college days (16-18) I was very immature in my attitude to some things. Although I was always polite and well mannered (I think ), I had as terrible attitude to college work. I got a N grade, 5 for effort and 62% attendance for one of my college courses. I had a place at Uni, but instead I was told to go and find a job and given a year to improve my attitude. I think it was the right choice.

I don't think i'd have a reaction the models, because I wouldn't be in the class. I have never had any sort of artistic trait in me. I can't draw, can't stand having to draw, or any other sort of art. I am better off with numbers and stuff, so I'm an Accounting major. I only have to take one arts/humanities related class, and i chose Humanities 101, which was quick and easy and out of the way. And not every young male is immature, and you don't have to be metrosexual or effeminate to be mature either. I've always generally been more masculine leaning(not jockish though), I work on cars and get dirty, and have never followed 'fashion'. Doesn't mean I don't know how to behave myself. I was 18 my first semester and never got into any trouble or had any negative remarks from teachers, and managed to behave myself in my Interpersonal Communications class where the teacher would talk about sex at least once a week, as did the rest of the guys in the class, and very very few were effeminate(We have a low level of metrosexual/effeminate people around here).

A what?

Huh? We pay for university in England too. A -lot-. Isn't it like that in most of the rest of the world?

Yes it is. Everyone pays for university tuition fees. And they're always a bomb. Maybe its not so much the 'paying customers' issue, but perhaps the ease of entry or even that they are not paying enough to appreciate it. Cause getting into a university in Singapore is -tough-. No one would risk losing their place in a university by doing dumb stuff.

Edit: OK, I spoke too soon. Read Xavius post below.

Most of western Europe does not pay for undergrad studies, no.

EDIT: And before anyone criticizes me for a narrow worldview:
- Africa does not count because African education is sporadic way short of the university level
- Asia is quite varied. Just because Japan and Singapore have an American tuition system doesn't mean that China or Korea do.
- I have no idea what goes on in Eastern Europe.

Huh. Interesting. Well, we do and it's still not as bad as that.

It's for free in Poland.

It's free here too, though the books still cost a lot.

Can't speak about rest of the Europe, but just like Mr. Poland and Ms. Finland said, it's free in this side of Europe.
However, the education system is slightly different as well. In Zerus(Latvia) you get primary school which is nine years and which is obligatory. You normally finish that when you're sixteen and then you have the choice to either go to a College(3y+2y) or to study in secondary school(3y). After that both can enroll in Uni, College goes right to the third year, if it's their spec and secondary school graduates start from first year.
Hmm, come to think of, it's not really that different, is it?


Aaaaand, a question to you all. What the hell this has to do with Nudes and Fine Arts. I mean, really where are the pics?!?!?!!

Free in Austria, ayup.