Shryke2009-02-08 05:57:38
I didn't enjoy this much...
In my honest opinion, I think wiccans get the shaft with toadcurse. 8p wasted if the target isn't under 50%, and then afterwards you have to stomp them? I mean, if it was 1 or two stomps after cursing, that's ok I guess, but 7?
In my honest opinion, I think wiccans get the shaft with toadcurse. 8p wasted if the target isn't under 50%, and then afterwards you have to stomp them? I mean, if it was 1 or two stomps after cursing, that's ok I guess, but 7?
QUOTE
+Rika+ ||Your aura of weapons rebounding disappears.
Deciding to teach Rika the ultimate lesson in manners, you point a finger
imperiously at her and call the curse of the toad down upon her head. You watch
in satisfaction as warts break out over her skin which then turns green and
slimy. Finally, she shrinks and transforms into a large, ugly toad!
4435h, 3918m, 5430e, 2p, 22450en, 23696w lrxk-+Rika+ ||
You take a long drag off your pipe.
4435h, 3918m, 5430e, 2p, 22450en, 23696w lrxk-+Rika+ ||
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
4435h, 3918m, 5430e, 2p, 22450en, 23696w lrxk-+Rika+ ||
You find that you are not yet ready to perform that feat.
4435h, 3918m, 5430e, 2p, 22450en, 23696w lrxk-+Rika+ ||
You take out some healing potion and quickly rub it on your skin.
The potion has no discernable effect.
4435h, 3918m, 5430e, 2p, 22450en, 23696w lrxk-+Rika+ ||
You take a drink from a beryl vial.
Your mind feels stronger and more alert.
4435h, 4844m, 5430e, 2p, 22450en, 23696w lrxk-+Rika+ ||
A sprite bound in shadows flies up and places a hand on your head, channeling
mana to you.
4435h, 5160m, 5430e, 2p, 22450en, 23696w lrxk-+Rika+ ||
The swirling shadows heal your body and mind.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 2p, 22450en, 23710w lrxk-+Rika+ ||
You must regain equilibrium first.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 2p, 22450en, 23710w lrxk-+Rika+ ||
You have recovered equilibrium.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 2p, 22450en, 23710w elrxk-+Rika+ ||
In order to put the pathetic life of a warty toad out of its misery, you lift a
foot and bring it down mightily on its bloated green body, but it manages to
leap aside.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 2p, 22420en, 23710w elrk-+Rika+ ||
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 2p, 22420en, 23710w elrk-+Rika+ ||
You feel an aura of rebounding surround you.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 2p, 22440en, 23724w elrk-+Rika+ ||
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 2p, 22440en, 23724w elrxk-+Rika+ ||
Your aura of weapons rebounding disappears.
In order to put the pathetic life of a warty toad out of its misery, you lift a
foot and bring it down mightily on its bloated green body, but it manages to
leap aside.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 2p, 22410en, 23724w elrk-+Rika+ ||
You take a long drag off your pipe.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 2p, 22410en, 23724w elrk-+Rika+ ||
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 3p, 22410en, 23724w elrxk-+Rika+ ||
In order to put the pathetic life of a warty toad out of its misery, you lift a
foot and bring it down mightily on its bloated green body, but it manages to
leap aside.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 3p, 22380en, 23724w elrk-+Rika+ ||
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 3p, 22400en, 23738w elrxk-+Rika+ ||
In order to put the pathetic life of a warty toad out of its misery, you lift a
foot and bring it down mightily on its bloated green body.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 3p, 22370en, 23738w elrk-+Rika+ ||
The swirling shadows heal your body and mind.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 3p, 22370en, 23738w elrk-+Rika+ ||
You feel an aura of rebounding surround you.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 3p, 22370en, 23738w elrk-+Rika+ ||
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 3p, 22390en, 23752w elrxk-+Rika+ ||
Your aura of weapons rebounding disappears.
In order to put the pathetic life of a warty toad out of its misery, you lift a
foot and bring it down mightily on its bloated green body, but it manages to
leap aside.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 3p, 22360en, 23752w elrk-+Rika+ ||
You take a long drag off your pipe.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 3p, 22360en, 23752w elrk-+Rika+ ||
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 4p, 22360en, 23752w elrxk-+Rika+ ||
In order to put the pathetic life of a warty toad out of its misery, you lift a
foot and bring it down mightily on its bloated green body, but it manages to
leap aside.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 4p, 22330en, 23752w elrk-+Rika+ ||
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 4p, 22350en, 23766w elrxk-+Rika+ ||
In order to put the pathetic life of a warty toad out of its misery, you lift a
foot and bring it down mightily on its bloated green body.
A warty toad's back breaks under the weight of a heavy foot, its innards
spilling out and leaving a messy stain on the ground.
You have slain a warty toad.
A warty toad wobbles about uncertainly and turns a pale shade of green before
suddenly stretching and transforming into a demigoddess. Shaking her head, Rika
stands before you where once there was a toad, looking slightly disoriented and
perplexed with her tongue lolling out the side of her mouth.
Rika leaves to the ether, emanating an aura of immense power.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 4p, 22320en, 23766w elrk-+Rika+ ||
Deciding to teach Rika the ultimate lesson in manners, you point a finger
imperiously at her and call the curse of the toad down upon her head. You watch
in satisfaction as warts break out over her skin which then turns green and
slimy. Finally, she shrinks and transforms into a large, ugly toad!
4435h, 3918m, 5430e, 2p, 22450en, 23696w lrxk-+Rika+ ||
You take a long drag off your pipe.
4435h, 3918m, 5430e, 2p, 22450en, 23696w lrxk-+Rika+ ||
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
4435h, 3918m, 5430e, 2p, 22450en, 23696w lrxk-+Rika+ ||
You find that you are not yet ready to perform that feat.
4435h, 3918m, 5430e, 2p, 22450en, 23696w lrxk-+Rika+ ||
You take out some healing potion and quickly rub it on your skin.
The potion has no discernable effect.
4435h, 3918m, 5430e, 2p, 22450en, 23696w lrxk-+Rika+ ||
You take a drink from a beryl vial.
Your mind feels stronger and more alert.
4435h, 4844m, 5430e, 2p, 22450en, 23696w lrxk-+Rika+ ||
A sprite bound in shadows flies up and places a hand on your head, channeling
mana to you.
4435h, 5160m, 5430e, 2p, 22450en, 23696w lrxk-+Rika+ ||
The swirling shadows heal your body and mind.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 2p, 22450en, 23710w lrxk-+Rika+ ||
You must regain equilibrium first.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 2p, 22450en, 23710w lrxk-+Rika+ ||
You have recovered equilibrium.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 2p, 22450en, 23710w elrxk-+Rika+ ||
In order to put the pathetic life of a warty toad out of its misery, you lift a
foot and bring it down mightily on its bloated green body, but it manages to
leap aside.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 2p, 22420en, 23710w elrk-+Rika+ ||
You may drink another health, mana, or bromide potion.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 2p, 22420en, 23710w elrk-+Rika+ ||
You feel an aura of rebounding surround you.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 2p, 22440en, 23724w elrk-+Rika+ ||
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 2p, 22440en, 23724w elrxk-+Rika+ ||
Your aura of weapons rebounding disappears.
In order to put the pathetic life of a warty toad out of its misery, you lift a
foot and bring it down mightily on its bloated green body, but it manages to
leap aside.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 2p, 22410en, 23724w elrk-+Rika+ ||
You take a long drag off your pipe.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 2p, 22410en, 23724w elrk-+Rika+ ||
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 3p, 22410en, 23724w elrxk-+Rika+ ||
In order to put the pathetic life of a warty toad out of its misery, you lift a
foot and bring it down mightily on its bloated green body, but it manages to
leap aside.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 3p, 22380en, 23724w elrk-+Rika+ ||
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 3p, 22400en, 23738w elrxk-+Rika+ ||
In order to put the pathetic life of a warty toad out of its misery, you lift a
foot and bring it down mightily on its bloated green body.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 3p, 22370en, 23738w elrk-+Rika+ ||
The swirling shadows heal your body and mind.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 3p, 22370en, 23738w elrk-+Rika+ ||
You feel an aura of rebounding surround you.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 3p, 22370en, 23738w elrk-+Rika+ ||
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 3p, 22390en, 23752w elrxk-+Rika+ ||
Your aura of weapons rebounding disappears.
In order to put the pathetic life of a warty toad out of its misery, you lift a
foot and bring it down mightily on its bloated green body, but it manages to
leap aside.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 3p, 22360en, 23752w elrk-+Rika+ ||
You take a long drag off your pipe.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 3p, 22360en, 23752w elrk-+Rika+ ||
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 4p, 22360en, 23752w elrxk-+Rika+ ||
In order to put the pathetic life of a warty toad out of its misery, you lift a
foot and bring it down mightily on its bloated green body, but it manages to
leap aside.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 4p, 22330en, 23752w elrk-+Rika+ ||
You have recovered balance on all limbs.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 4p, 22350en, 23766w elrxk-+Rika+ ||
In order to put the pathetic life of a warty toad out of its misery, you lift a
foot and bring it down mightily on its bloated green body.
A warty toad's back breaks under the weight of a heavy foot, its innards
spilling out and leaving a messy stain on the ground.
You have slain a warty toad.
A warty toad wobbles about uncertainly and turns a pale shade of green before
suddenly stretching and transforming into a demigoddess. Shaking her head, Rika
stands before you where once there was a toad, looking slightly disoriented and
perplexed with her tongue lolling out the side of her mouth.
Rika leaves to the ether, emanating an aura of immense power.
4980h, 5160m, 5430e, 4p, 22320en, 23766w elrk-+Rika+ ||
Narsrim2009-02-08 06:17:47
It has to do with dexterity, I believe. Dwarf toads dodge less often than Elfen/Faeling toads!
Noola2009-02-08 06:19:20
I think toadcurse is nifty! If I ever got to use it, I'd want to keep the toad. Pick it up and put it in my pocket. 
I love hoppy toads!
I love hoppy toads!Unknown2009-02-08 06:23:01
It is definitely very nice flavour-wise. But it's really not fun when you went to all that effort to toad them and have them just run around until it wears off. For a guardian, that would have already been a kill. (Not that I'm comparing guardians to wiccans, of course!)
Shiri2009-02-08 06:24:31
At least they can't breach icewalls anymore.
EDIT: And aren't invisible and can't run at infinite speeds
EDIT: And aren't invisible and can't run at infinite speeds
Acrune2009-02-08 06:47:30
QUOTE (Noola @ Feb 8 2009, 01:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think toadcurse is nifty! If I ever got to use it, I'd want to keep the toad. Pick it up and put it in my pocket. I love hoppy toads!
I love hoppy toads!
Thats what I do! I do see the problem, those buggers are pretty fast. Thats why he's all sandy. He got away. A lot.
Noola2009-02-08 06:49:57
SQUEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
It's so CUTE!
It's so CUTE!
Acrune2009-02-08 06:52:34
He's also pretty dazed, because I dropped eem from 3 feet high like 6 times before my stupid sister managed to take the pic.
Poor toady.
Poor toady.
Noola2009-02-08 06:54:42
QUOTE (Acrune @ Feb 8 2009, 12:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He's also pretty dazed, because I dropped eem from 3 feet high like 6 times before my stupid sister managed to take the pic.
Poor toady.
Poor toady.
Awww!
Sarrasri2009-02-08 06:59:20
It's a pretty common sentiment among wiccans that toadcurse is annoying to deal with. I'm pretty sure most of us do like the flavour, but it's the only instakill in the game that..doesn't kill. And where you kill can get away. Attempts to fix this in some way that doesn't totally kill the flavour of the skill get argued against until you feel like it's not worth it. There's been some things that's helped with it, like being able to scent toads and they actually were nerfed to dodge less (believe it or not), though they're still pretty dodgy. One solution I keep hearing is that toads just can't move, but I suppose it'd be acceptable just to have them move -slower-. And don't dodge at all.
Rika2009-02-08 07:04:19
If it helps at all, I have 20 dexterity.
Also, for some reason I couldn't hop out :/.
Also, for some reason I couldn't hop out :/.
Desitrus2009-02-08 07:05:06
Hack/smite down anyone?
Shryke2009-02-08 07:05:20
I don't see how it would be unfair at all to make toads die in one stomp, and have no toad dodging at all.
Anything else is just annoying to deal with, and not beneficial to the game.
Anything else is just annoying to deal with, and not beneficial to the game.
Asmodea2009-02-08 07:55:06
I don't see why you can't still keep the flavour, but make it an insta-kill that kills, something like....
Deciding to teach Rika the ultimate lesson in manners, you point a finger imperiously at her and call the curse of the toad down upon her head. You watch in satisfaction as warts break out over her skin which then turns green and slimy, transforming into a large, ugly toad. Lifting your mighty foot you bring it down mightily onto her bloated green body, breaking her back and spilling her innards, leaving a messy stain.
You have slain Rika
That way, you still toadcurse them into a toad, but they don't get to run away. Keeping flavour and solving the run away issue.
Deciding to teach Rika the ultimate lesson in manners, you point a finger imperiously at her and call the curse of the toad down upon her head. You watch in satisfaction as warts break out over her skin which then turns green and slimy, transforming into a large, ugly toad. Lifting your mighty foot you bring it down mightily onto her bloated green body, breaking her back and spilling her innards, leaving a messy stain.
You have slain Rika
That way, you still toadcurse them into a toad, but they don't get to run away. Keeping flavour and solving the run away issue.
Unknown2009-02-08 08:02:31
QUOTE (Shryke @ Feb 8 2009, 07:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't see how it would be unfair at all to make toads die in one stomp, and have no toad dodging at all.
Anything else is just annoying to deal with, and not beneficial to the game.
Anything else is just annoying to deal with, and not beneficial to the game.
Yeah right.
Remove banshee, and i'm sure everyone will be contempt with making toadcurse just a plain instakill like absolve.
You see, Celestines and Nihilists don't have the beauty of passive damage and mana drain like wiccans do.
Unknown2009-02-08 08:03:55
QUOTE (Asmodea @ Feb 8 2009, 07:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't see why you can't still keep the flavour, but make it an insta-kill that kills, something like....
Deciding to teach Rika the ultimate lesson in manners, you point a finger imperiously at her and call the curse of the toad down upon her head. You watch in satisfaction as warts break out over her skin which then turns green and slimy, transforming into a large, ugly toad. Lifting your mighty foot you bring it down mightily onto her bloated green body, breaking her back and spilling her innards, leaving a messy stain.
You have slain Rika
That way, you still toadcurse them into a toad, but they don't get to run away. Keeping flavour and solving the run away issue.
Deciding to teach Rika the ultimate lesson in manners, you point a finger imperiously at her and call the curse of the toad down upon her head. You watch in satisfaction as warts break out over her skin which then turns green and slimy, transforming into a large, ugly toad. Lifting your mighty foot you bring it down mightily onto her bloated green body, breaking her back and spilling her innards, leaving a messy stain.
You have slain Rika
That way, you still toadcurse them into a toad, but they don't get to run away. Keeping flavour and solving the run away issue.
I believe the reason why it's not a true instakill is because wiccans have it much easier than guardians with bringing targets below half mana.
Shryke2009-02-08 08:09:27
That's not a legitimate reason Thoros.
We're still toadcursing their ass. Getting away as a toad isn't that great for anyone. Sucks for the toad, and sucks for the toader. It's not necessary.
If you think our mana drain is too easy, fix that, but don't that to try to justify an annoying and useless mechanic.
I also think that quickened amissio will outpace lash or succumb any day. Feel free to test with me.
We're still toadcursing their ass. Getting away as a toad isn't that great for anyone. Sucks for the toad, and sucks for the toader. It's not necessary.
If you think our mana drain is too easy, fix that, but don't that to try to justify an annoying and useless mechanic.
I also think that quickened amissio will outpace lash or succumb any day. Feel free to test with me.
Gregori2009-02-08 08:11:44
lol let's talk instakills.
Gore: Anyone do this for the instakill or for the lulz? I know anytime I have gored someone to death they would have been dead anyways from just about any other attack. It's an instakill used just to say "lol I got a gore kill."
Thornrend: Requires 4 limbs lashed on an eq of 4 seconds a limb. Cured by leaving forest, writhing, ignite enchant, sap, and blocked by being sapped. Has this ever actually been done on anyone other than by sheer fluke?
Death Prophecy: no no seriously stop laughing... this one is awesome! All you have to do is cure 1 affliction in 5 to stop it!
Eternal Sleep: Yeah, so how about that metawake?
So yeah... wiccans can quit their whining. At least they -can- do their instakill.
Gore: Anyone do this for the instakill or for the lulz? I know anytime I have gored someone to death they would have been dead anyways from just about any other attack. It's an instakill used just to say "lol I got a gore kill."
Thornrend: Requires 4 limbs lashed on an eq of 4 seconds a limb. Cured by leaving forest, writhing, ignite enchant, sap, and blocked by being sapped. Has this ever actually been done on anyone other than by sheer fluke?
Death Prophecy: no no seriously stop laughing... this one is awesome! All you have to do is cure 1 affliction in 5 to stop it!
Eternal Sleep: Yeah, so how about that metawake?
So yeah... wiccans can quit their whining. At least they -can- do their instakill.
Shryke2009-02-08 08:13:39
QUOTE
lol let's talk instakills.
Gore: Anyone do this for the instakill or for the lulz? I know anytime I have gored someone to death they would have been dead anyways from just about any other attack. It's an instakill used just to say "lol I got a gore kill."
Thornrend: Requires 4 limbs lashed on an eq of 4 seconds a limb. Cured by leaving forest, writhing, ignite enchant, sap, and blocked by being sapped. Has this ever actually been done on anyone other than by sheer fluke?
Death Prophecy: no no seriously stop laughing... this one is awesome! All you have to do is cure 1 affliction in 5 to stop it!
Eternal Sleep: Yeah, so how about that metawake?
So yeah... wiccans can quit their whining. At least they -can- do their instakill.
Gore: Anyone do this for the instakill or for the lulz? I know anytime I have gored someone to death they would have been dead anyways from just about any other attack. It's an instakill used just to say "lol I got a gore kill."
Thornrend: Requires 4 limbs lashed on an eq of 4 seconds a limb. Cured by leaving forest, writhing, ignite enchant, sap, and blocked by being sapped. Has this ever actually been done on anyone other than by sheer fluke?
Death Prophecy: no no seriously stop laughing... this one is awesome! All you have to do is cure 1 affliction in 5 to stop it!
Eternal Sleep: Yeah, so how about that metawake?
So yeah... wiccans can quit their whining. At least they -can- do their instakill.
/irrelevant
Rika2009-02-08 08:24:48
Yeah, imo, if you want to upgrade toadcurse to be just like absolve, you're going to need to downgrade wiccan mana drain strategies a bit.
