Why is Toadcurse so much worse?

by Shryke

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Casilu2009-02-08 08:27:41
QUOTE (Shryke @ Feb 8 2009, 12:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's not a legitimate reason Thoros.

We're still toadcursing their ass. Getting away as a toad isn't that great for anyone. Sucks for the toad, and sucks for the toader. It's not necessary.

If you think our mana drain is too easy, fix that, but don't that to try to justify an annoying and useless mechanic.

I also think that quickened amissio will outpace lash or succumb any day. Feel free to test with me.


Yes, it is. The have a chance to get away that way. Banshee (plus succumb for you) gives you enough passive mana drain and especially for you with choke, ways to make sipping hard. And if they get away, they don't have any defences!
Shiri2009-02-08 08:28:14
I bet if you turned that around, so few people would claim that it should be easier for wiccans to "kill" than guardians because wiccans then have to chase them around for a bit or use icewalls beforehand.
Shryke2009-02-08 08:29:31
QUOTE (casilu @ Feb 8 2009, 12:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes, it is. The have a chance to get away that way. Banshee (plus succumb for you) gives you enough passive mana drain and especially for you with choke, ways to make sipping hard. And if they get away, they don't have any defences!


Exactly.

Toading is no worse than being killed for the toad.

But it just sucks for the SD to not get the kill, so give us the kill. They've already decided we can essentially kill them as is, but we're not allowed to actually profit ourselves.. Great.
Rika2009-02-08 08:32:47
Actually, I'd rather be toaded and given a chance to live than.. well, being killed.
Shryke2009-02-08 08:33:32
XP loss in this game is laughable, and conglute is faster than coming back from toad.
Casilu2009-02-08 08:34:43
QUOTE (Shryke @ Feb 8 2009, 12:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Exactly.

Toading is no worse than being killed for the toad.

But it just sucks for the SD to not get the kill, so give us the kill. They've already decided we can essentially kill them as is, but we're not allowed to actually profit ourselves.. Great.


/agree with Rika


I get to keep... what's the word I'm looking for... XP? Yeah, that's it. I know it's some operating system. Vista or OSX doesn't sound right.
Casilu2009-02-08 08:37:01
QUOTE (Shryke @ Feb 8 2009, 12:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
XP loss in this game is laughable, and conglute is faster than coming back from toad.



Some of us hate hunting so censor.gif-ed much it isn't even funny. I'd rather lose 50% of my power reserves than 1% of my XP because I hate hunting that much.
Esano2009-02-08 08:38:10
QUOTE (Gregori @ Feb 8 2009, 07:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
lol let's talk instakills.

Gore: Anyone do this for the instakill or for the lulz? I know anytime I have gored someone to death they would have been dead anyways from just about any other attack. It's an instakill used just to say "lol I got a gore kill."

Thornrend: Requires 4 limbs lashed on an eq of 4 seconds a limb. Cured by leaving forest, writhing, ignite enchant, sap, and blocked by being sapped. Has this ever actually been done on anyone other than by sheer fluke?

Death Prophecy: no no seriously stop laughing... this one is awesome! All you have to do is cure 1 affliction in 5 to stop it!

Eternal Sleep: Yeah, so how about that metawake?


So yeah... wiccans can quit their whining. At least they -can- do their instakill.

What? Why aren't phantomspheres on that list?

Have I been killing too many people with them? sad.gif
Saran2009-02-08 08:40:39
QUOTE (Esano @ Feb 8 2009, 07:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What? Why aren't phantomspheres on that list?

Have I been killing too many people with them? sad.gif


uh, cause those are the instakills available to hartstone and all of them suck?
Casilu2009-02-08 08:42:26
QUOTE (Saran @ Feb 8 2009, 12:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
uh, cause those are the instakills available to hartstone and all of them suck?


I'll trade you one for mantra deathtouch.
Esano2009-02-08 08:43:47
QUOTE (Saran @ Feb 8 2009, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
uh, cause those are the instakills available to hartstone and all of them suck?

Oh, I thought you were just listing crappy instakills.

My bad!
Unknown2009-02-08 08:51:43
I would think it's legitimate to whine about our insta-kill even if it's better than others because: wiccans have no other kill method. Damage method isn't going to work against high health or competent fighters (no more sleep lock).
Unknown2009-02-08 08:57:24
QUOTE (Solanis @ Feb 8 2009, 09:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would think it's legitimate to whine about our insta-kill even if it's better than others because: wiccans have no other kill method. Damage method isn't going to work against high health or competent fighters (no more sleep lock).


Moonburst is ridiculous, damage wise. Moondancer's damage method is just as viable as any other class' damage method.
Unknown2009-02-08 08:58:49
QUOTE (Shryke @ Feb 8 2009, 09:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's not a legitimate reason Thoros.

We're still toadcursing their ass. Getting away as a toad isn't that great for anyone. Sucks for the toad, and sucks for the toader. It's not necessary.

If you think our mana drain is too easy, fix that, but don't that to try to justify an annoying and useless mechanic.

I also think that quickened amissio will outpace lash or succumb any day. Feel free to test with me.


ROFL dude you are just being dumb or noob.

Anything that passively does 722 health/747 mana damage to me, passively, is legitimate reason to not upgrade anything else in a wiccan's arsenal.*

*On top of the other passive effects they have at their disposal which we aren't even bringing into the equation...
Shryke2009-02-08 09:03:24
Get online and lets see what drains you faster.
Saran2009-02-08 09:14:44
QUOTE (casilu @ Feb 8 2009, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'll trade you one for mantra deathtouch.

sure try gore
Casilu2009-02-08 09:15:36
QUOTE (Saran @ Feb 8 2009, 01:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
sure try gore


Deal, let me add it into a kata and I'll be set.
Unknown2009-02-08 09:19:11
Lower the cost of Toadcurse to 5p? sad.gif
















Pls? sad.gif
Celina2009-02-08 09:20:08
I do wonder if Gregori truly thinks Druids have it so bad.


Look at it this way, if toadcurse isn't killing you, it's not an insta-kill. Seems simple enough. They lose all their defs and there is a fairly high chance of them being killed until the affect wears off. It's more like inquisition than absolve.

If you want an absolve type deal, you'll probably have to drop the massive mana drain. It's rather irrelevant that you can outsip banshee+lash whoring. That's where strategy and combat comes in. Get out your big crayon and doodle some hexes.
Shryke2009-02-08 09:23:45
What do you base your information off of Celina?