Because when you do it and say it's right, you are saying that when Xiel did it, he was right too. And when you say he was wrong, you are also saying you are wrong. You can have it either way, but not both. Either you're saying he was right (and feel free to go retract, and apologize for, every single time you called him down for doing it), or you are saying you are wrong for doing it now (and feel free to go dig up all your posts criticizing him and put your own name into them). It's wrong, or it isn't. Why is this simple arithmetic so hard to follow?

As a note, this is exactly what we said to Xiel when he kept (ab)using Batbane, and his reasoning for continuing to use it was the same as Romero's now.

He kept using it for a week or so after that, but then did (mostly) stop.

(PS: I'm not disagreeing with you. It's just as bad for an envoy to be doing it now as it was for one then.)

Xiel doing it was wrong. Tramplesac is wrong. But its not a bug, its a balance issue thats being fixed. The whining can stop. Seriously. I have no trouble with nerfing trample since this was only used because it would make Gregori whine. He was going to die anyway without killing any of us.

Edit: To add to what Xenthos said. Yes, Xiel continued to use it and as for the sentiments all over the forums about this, I personally don't have trample so I can't use it. But I am all for changing it asap. Within the hour if we can get a plan.

With a similar case being made for Maze, if I remember correctly.

Why does trample have to be "fixed"? If something is powerful in way too many situation wouldn't the best solution be to....delete it?

Soon as I use crucify trample sacrifice in a 1-1, I can already hear the complaining.

At what point in that 5 minute log was I going to die anyway without tramplesac? Cause... It sure wasn't even close to ever happening.

My bad, Grego. You never die, to anything, I am sure you would have kept on trucking.

Next time, I won't bring Thoros or Esano. I will just bring me and two mantekarrs.

You would need them. In fact, they would probably do better without you.

lol. So I have seen, Grego. Well that settles it.

SERENWILDERS ASCENDANT VS THREE MANTEKARRS. A DUEL FOR HONOR. A DUEL FOR PRIDE.

Yep. Though maze was actually being defended as well.

I think everyone needs to stfu and kill things. If you can kill someone, great. If you can't, crap. This crap about "OMG LULZ HE'S MOAR POWERFUL THAN ME. SUMMON NERFSTICK 9000!!" needs to stop. We all have skills that are a bit op. Big deal. You use yours, I'll use mine.

Edit: And besides that, the coders are only mortal, and can't predict every thing. They have enough BS to put up with.

It's really simple logic.

I can't kill you by mathematically calculating a fool proof way of doing it 1-1. Therefore, you are too powerful and need to be nerfed, while I need to be buffed. Game balance = I can kill you. If I can't kill you, the skills are broken.

Then you throw in another person. All of these skills that are now "balanced" for 1-1 ez kills are ridiculous in a group. Now, Game Balance = I can survive anything anyone throws at me. If I die, that means their skills are OP, so now I get to bitch and whine until I can no longer get killed.

Too many people with big mouths think the game should revolve around what they want and nothing else.

The thing I find comical about this whole thread is that its the coders of Lusternia that are at fault for certain skills/classes being unbalanced. Of course it's frustrating when a thousand pound pet steam rolls you, brakes every limb in your body and you die. You are going to be extremely angry, but why not write these comments with the same amount of vehemence as you do against each other towards the people who are actually at fault?

I have seen more civil conversations on White Supremacy sites then I have here. Although its entertaining, I just felt the need to offer some advice on the matter. I would like to see game balance, but I really doubt this is the way it will ever be accomplished.

Rant away.

I can't figure out a way to kill Narsrim 1 on 1.Therefore, Narsrim is broken, and I need a buff.

Random Novice #762 can't figure out a way to kill me 1 on 1. Therefore, I must be broken and novice #762 needs a buff.

Did you miss the thread I bumped from last year, where the same issue was limited only because it took someone dedicated to trampling to pull it off? People can hardly be blamed for being a little peeved that such was ignored and beast balance trample was put into play.

There you go, now you are learning!

You, sir, are wintastic.

Dang, did I trans Taelure without knowing it?

You seem to have some issues reading my posts. I'll reiterate, neither party is wrong. It's simply how it's coded and it's completely expected for it to be used while it exists.

I don't have it both ways. I've been quite clear on that. No one is in the wrong.

Was batbane+pfifth+bardoon kind of lame? Yes. Is trample sac just as lame. Pretty much.

"Lame" and "wrong" are not synonyms.

For monks:
-Tahtetso have the whole chestpain insta, thats their main issue. Other than that the problem is largely double hemi spam and tons o mangles.
-Nekotai are one of the better guilds as far as I can see. Slitlock is awesome, access to tendon, and more crippling effects that arent usually used it seems. They just need some really good players to show how much the can shine (till they get nerfed anyway).
-Shofangis bullrage is just disgusting. Mangle spam is disgusting. Crunch is long term win. etc etc, they may also be one of the top.
-Ninjakari are waiting for their nerf stick, but they are alot more tame than disembowel/burstorgans made them. They have nice affs but dont have the same synergy as some of the others. Which is of course as always, debatable.

Clearly medicinebag is OP, nerf. /random tangent

I actually ignored the log really, it was mostly running or just thoros doing anything. You died to a small group, it cant keep happening with that exact method, but other stupid methods are still viable.


Other notes:
-Remove beast poison, this was just a bad idea as all it does is enables more locks, beasts shouldnt change combat so much
-Beast web still needed be REMOVED not just raised in cost
-Gogo locale defending Gregori!


Trueheal should strip all defs and continue to give shield. /obligatory antitrueheal

When is the knight adjustments finished? When is monk report done? When do we show tarot da love?

Why is EVERYthing based around a power skill? Nihilists didnt have enough costs?

Think I will be done for now, I am gonna go play mushroom revolution