Isuka2009-02-27 02:38:50
QUOTE (Kialkarkea @ Feb 26 2009, 06:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Although in the right hands Astrology CAN be very, very powerful.
How?
Celina2009-02-27 04:51:19
In the right hands AND against the right person.
Depends on nativity. Narsrim, for instance, has a great nativity for astrologers.
Depends on nativity. Narsrim, for instance, has a great nativity for astrologers.
Saran2009-02-27 05:25:39
QUOTE (Celina @ Feb 27 2009, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In the right hands AND against the right person.
Depends on nativity. Narsrim, for instance, has a great nativity for astrologers.
Depends on nativity. Narsrim, for instance, has a great nativity for astrologers.
You forget the:
OR at the right time.
Cause when it's time for a good syzygy, everyone will flee from the astrologers.
mmm cardinal syzygy... sensitivity, aeon and recklessness for two power
Charune2009-02-27 08:31:21
QUOTE (Narsrim @ Feb 26 2009, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You are 100% wrong then. I extensively tested this as a Celestine.
You can believe whatever you'd like, but I am viewing the code from 2004, and it disagrees with you and agrees with my conclusion. The check that prevented inquisitioning after focus spirit ran the cure routine has never not been present with infidel->inquisition.
QUOTE (Narsrim @ Feb 26 2009, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Since day 1 up until Geb pointed out an issue a several months ago, it was possible to Inquisition immediately after Infidel. You didn't need to wait for a glow. I imagine this may have been changed then and it wasn't noticed, but it's royally retarded.
This was changed and announced months ago. I'm not sure how this change was 'retarded' as you say.
Xavius2009-02-28 03:36:38
QUOTE (Charune @ Feb 27 2009, 02:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You can believe whatever you'd like, but I am viewing the code from 2004, and it disagrees with you and agrees with my conclusion. The check that prevented inquisitioning after focus spirit ran the cure routine has never not been present with infidel->inquisition.
It worked. There are logs of it. I think they're Narsrim's logs, actually. I'm not sure what else can be said.
Anyways, I noticed just today that taking up healing results in substantially fewer lessons lost, so that's the route I'm going. Ahem.
Charune2009-02-28 04:11:59
QUOTE (Xavius @ Feb 27 2009, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It worked. There are logs of it. I think they're Narsrim's logs, actually. I'm not sure what else can be said.
What worked?
Xavius2009-02-28 04:16:08
QUOTE (Charune @ Feb 27 2009, 10:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What worked?
Infidel -> focus spirit -> inquisition. It only stopped the glow. You burned tons of mana on failed attempts, but if you had a rough sense of when the glow would be there anyways, you could still get it off.
Unknown2009-02-28 04:23:20
QUOTE (Saran @ Feb 27 2009, 12:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You forget the:
OR at the right time.
Cause when it's time for a good syzygy, everyone will flee from the astrologers.
mmm cardinal syzygy... sensitivity, aeon and recklessness for two power
OR at the right time.
Cause when it's time for a good syzygy, everyone will flee from the astrologers.
mmm cardinal syzygy... sensitivity, aeon and recklessness for two power
Even normally, once a year (12 days) you get a 4 planet retrograde into Skull. It gives you a NICE hit.
Charune2009-02-28 04:33:56
QUOTE (Xavius @ Feb 27 2009, 11:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Infidel -> focus spirit -> inquisition. It only stopped the glow. You burned tons of mana on failed attempts, but if you had a rough sense of when the glow would be there anyways, you could still get it off.
I have the code right in front of me, from as far as 2004 until today, February 27. Focus spirit-ing while hereticed has only stopped the glow. It did not interfere with the inquisition itself because the check that controls going from heretic->infidel is not as comprehensive as the one between infidel->inquisition. This is what prevents the continuation of the line and inability to inquisition.
What might have made the difference is the aura closing bug. I haven't investigated it fully but it being present may have allowed it to continue under infidel. However, diagnosing would have revealed it gone.
The other possible explanation for the log is that you have no way of knowing if the heretic-related things were cured because no message is shown. In addition, there's a 25% chance of total failure when using focus spirit. However with enough data points this can become more of a non-issue.
Edit: The more I think about it the more I can't remember if it was curing infidel entirely or simply preventing the transition from infidel to inquisition. It definitely includes the latter, though.
Xavius2009-02-28 04:43:26
QUOTE (Charune @ Feb 27 2009, 10:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The other possible explanation for the log is that you have no way of knowing if the heretic-related things were cured because no message is shown.
The symptom of this is getting inquisition off without a glow.
EDIT: Wait, I think I see what you're saying. What you're saying is the glow is tied only to heretic, and a focus spirit at the start stopped just the glow, whereas focus spirit on infidel kills the progression?
Charune2009-02-28 04:51:47
QUOTE (Xavius @ Feb 27 2009, 11:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The symptom of this is getting inquisition off without a glow.
Being able to get inquisition without the aura opening up (whether or not the glow was seen) was a bug and fixed in March, 2008. The opened aura was not being shut off when moved from heretic->infidel, hence being able to inquisition immediately when infideled without any new opened aura.
QUOTE (Xavius @ Feb 27 2009, 11:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
EDIT: Wait, I think I see what you're saying. What you're saying is the glow is tied only to heretic, and a focus spirit at the start stopped just the glow, whereas focus spirit on infidel kills the progression?
The glow is tied to both. Focus spirit during heretic stopped the glow and you could still infidel on it. Focus spirit while infideled made/makes it impossible to continue to inquisition (Assuming the focus spirit hit the curing for the inquisition line.)