[Mafia]Angels and Demons: TERRA

by Daganev

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Casilu2009-03-08 21:44:59
QUOTE (Kiradawea @ Mar 8 2009, 02:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As much as I want for all jesters to burn in the fiery pit that spawned them, never to return, I don't think Fyler's guilty of being someone we ought to lynch.


Unless we have a reviving cult or something.
Kiradawea2009-03-08 21:46:34
True. But then we gotta kill the culthead, because otherwise we're just gonna end up with more cronies each day.
Noola2009-03-08 21:53:02
I wish we didn't know that some folks never sent in their night action. It seems difficult to decide what happened last night knowing that. Was it the scum that killed Fania? Or was it some other kind of role like a vigilante or serial killer or whatever else there is. Only one person died, does that mean that there were roleblockers at work or no? Did anyone investigate anyone else? Or were those the actions not sent in?

I find myself suspicious of whoever rezzed Fyler, but since I have no idea who that is, I can't really decide who to vote for. Flyer actually does seem like a good vote target cause we only have his word that he was brought back as an angel. I just can't fathom a town rezzer wasting a rezzing opportunity even if they have more than one chance to do it, on a jester instead of saving it for an important town role. Even assuming that they did it to recruit someone, why? None of the town has been killed so far. It's not like we're in danger of running out of people and the scum winning or anything.
Casilu2009-03-08 22:00:50
QUOTE (Noola @ Mar 8 2009, 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I wish we didn't know that some folks never sent in their night action. It seems difficult to decide what happened last night knowing that. Was it the scum that killed Fania? Or was it some other kind of role like a vigilante or serial killer or whatever else there is. Only one person died, does that mean that there were roleblockers at work or no? Did anyone investigate anyone else? Or were those the actions not sent in?

I find myself suspicious of whoever rezzed Fyler, but since I have no idea who that is, I can't really decide who to vote for. Flyer actually does seem like a good vote target cause we only have his word that he was brought back as an angel. I just can't fathom a town rezzer wasting a rezzing opportunity even if they have more than one chance to do it, on a jester instead of saving it for an important town role. Even assuming that they did it to recruit someone, why? None of the town has been killed so far. It's not like we're in danger of running out of people and the scum winning or anything.


To be fair Noola, you're my main suspect right now. You mentioned that you had a night action, and you were caught in the dead center of both lynch trains yesterday. I'm also curious as to why you missed out a major town role in the possibilities. Not suspicious enough to vote for you... not yet.
Noola2009-03-08 22:08:05
Did I? Well, the only reason I can give is that I'm still not all that familiar with the official roles and didn't think of it.
Unknown2009-03-08 22:22:00
It coulda been part of his role, He wins when he's lynched, and after that he comes back as an angel due to some martyr affect or something like that. I dunno though.
kiriwe2009-03-08 22:25:36
QUOTE (Renthur @ Mar 8 2009, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It coulda been part of his role, He wins when he's lynched, and after that he comes back as an angel due to some martyr affect or something like that. I dunno though.

that makes absolutely no sense
kiriwe2009-03-08 22:28:13
QUOTE (Noola @ Mar 8 2009, 05:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I find myself suspicious of whoever rezzed Fyler, but since I have no idea who that is, I can't really decide who to vote for. Flyer actually does seem like a good vote target cause we only have his word that he was brought back as an angel. I just can't fathom a town rezzer wasting a rezzing opportunity even if they have more than one chance to do it, on a jester instead of saving it for an important town role. Even assuming that they did it to recruit someone, why? None of the town has been killed so far. It's not like we're in danger of running out of people and the scum winning or anything.


This makes sense to me.
And if we lynch him, we don't have to be worried about lynching an important role, and if he was indeed recruited, it should be in his role information, right?
Casilu2009-03-08 22:28:30
QUOTE (Kiriwe y'Kaliath @ Mar 8 2009, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
that makes absolutely no sense


There are some roles that when they are killed, they come back, however, for a Jester, that would make very little sense, so we have to assume that he was revived.
kiriwe2009-03-08 22:29:49
QUOTE (casilu @ Mar 8 2009, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There are some roles that when they are killed, they come back, however, for a Jester, that would make very little sense, so we have to assume that he was revived.

That's what I mean. It makes no sense for his role.
Kiradawea2009-03-08 22:36:41
QUOTE (Noola @ Mar 8 2009, 10:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I wish we didn't know that some folks never sent in their night action. It seems difficult to decide what happened last night knowing that. Was it the scum that killed Fania? Or was it some other kind of role like a vigilante or serial killer or whatever else there is. Only one person died, does that mean that there were roleblockers at work or no? Did anyone investigate anyone else? Or were those the actions not sent in?

I find myself suspicious of whoever rezzed Fyler, but since I have no idea who that is, I can't really decide who to vote for. Flyer actually does seem like a good vote target cause we only have his word that he was brought back as an angel. I just can't fathom a town rezzer wasting a rezzing opportunity even if they have more than one chance to do it, on a jester instead of saving it for an important town role. Even assuming that they did it to recruit someone, why? None of the town has been killed so far. It's not like we're in danger of running out of people and the scum winning or anything.

*cough* This does make you seem suspicious Noola. *cough*

That being said, the ones I are suspicious about would be Dai and Narsrim. Dai because he claimed to have read the thread, yet he manages to not only pull an oddball vote on Renthur, but do it after Kiriwe's post where she practically spells out that "I am killing you now Fyler". Narsrim is suspicious because of this.
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Right now, the two people I am most suspicious of is Fyler and Kiriwe. They got awfully defensive quick. I'm not so suspicious of Dai as Noola, because no one has contributed anything meaningful yet. Well, I guess an argument can be made that lightening the mood is meaningful, but it doesn't help us weed out who are demons.

Anyway, I suggest that we focus on either of them before Dai. I don't like non-participation, but both Fyler and Kiriwe's defensiveness is far more scummish to me.
I find when people try to read into something at the start of a game overly trying to convince the group at large that so is so is scummy for some obscure reason, it's usually not a good sign.
Townies never have anything to gain from manipulation of stated intent.

And Azazel/Fyler still boggles my mind, but I'll get to that when I don't have this blinding headache.
Narsrim2009-03-08 23:08:15
QUOTE (Kiradawea @ Mar 4 2009, 02:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Right now, the two people I am most suspicious of is Fyler and Kiriwe. They got awfully defensive quick. I'm not so suspicious of Dai as Noola, because no one has contributed anything meaningful yet. Well, I guess an argument can be made that lightening the mood is meaningful, but it doesn't help us weed out who are demons.

Anyway, I suggest that we focus on either of them before Dai. I don't like non-participation, but both Fyler and Kiriwe's defensiveness is far more scummish to me.



QUOTE (Narsrim @ Mar 4 2009, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I find when people try to read into something at the start of a game overly trying to convince the group at large that so is so is scummy for some obscure reason, it's usually not a good sign.

FOS Kiradawea


These are the actual quotes. Please compare them to the quotes above Kiradawea posted. She claims she's suspicious of me, yet she intentionally deleted a whole line of my quote (the bolded part), where I was suspicious of her. Was that a simple accident or an attempt to strike back at me for questioning you earlier?
Unknown2009-03-08 23:21:45
Narsrim, being suspicious of her has no relevance to those quotes at all, and at the moment you're going against what your post was quoted saying. I'm not sure but day 2 still seems like the beginning, especially since all we've got to go on is that Fyler was a jester and came back and that Fania is gone. You're also not bothering to refute that you were twisting words and intent, just simply trying to shift the focus of attention with more of it.

Vote: Narsrim
kiriwe2009-03-08 23:23:06
QUOTE (Narsrim @ Mar 8 2009, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
These are the actual quotes. Please compare them to the quotes above Kiradawea posted. She claims she's suspicious of me, yet she intentionally deleted a whole line of my quote (the bolded part), where I was suspicious of her. Was that a simple accident or an attempt to strike back at me for questioning you earlier?

she was pointing out your contradiction and hypocrisy, and your attempt to obfuscate is not working
Vote: Narsrim
Narsrim2009-03-08 23:31:02
I'm not sure I followed. I'm not a fan of lynching someone early in a forum based mafia game for the simple process of lynching when the time could be used to productively prod people into actively communicating. Mistakes can be made, and mistakes were made as seen by the lynching of Fryler (who has officially taken 1st place in this game).

I don't see how I've went against this advice because at the moment, I'm not trying to lead the group as a whole in a given direction simply because I feel the need. For this reason, you will note that I did -not- vote for Fryler. Please explain how I've "went against" what I said.

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Likewise, I don't bother refuting posts from people who quote me partially and attempt to twist it. Kiradawea left out that the quote she was using was one where I stated suspicion against her. That's important, I feel. I in turn responded with a question because I want to know why she did it.

As she made no claim other than she was "suspicious" of me, I don't see how I'm trying to shift attention or be convoluted when she botched a quote that she used to cast said suspicion.

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It seems odd to me that you note Kiradawea altered a quotation (which has not been explained), and you attempt to insinuate I shouldn't be asking questions about why.
Narsrim2009-03-08 23:37:43
Do note:

The first quote in Kiradawea post was HER quote. The second quote was MY quote. It would be contradicting if I stated both of those, but I didn't. Kiradawea posted she had suspicion for Fyler/Kiriwe. I posted that I found it strange she was trying to steer us in that direction with no real reason as to why.
kiriwe2009-03-08 23:39:33
QUOTE (Narsrim @ Mar 8 2009, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not sure I followed. I'm not a fan of lynching someone early in a forum based mafia game for the simple process of lynching when the time could be used to productively prod people into actively communicating. Mistakes can be made, and mistakes were made as seen by the lynching of Fryler (who has officially taken 1st place in this game).

I don't see how I've went against this advice because at the moment, I'm not trying to lead the group as a whole in a given direction simply because I feel the need. For this reason, you will note that I did -not- vote for Fryler. Please explain how I've "went against" what I said.

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Likewise, I don't bother refuting posts from people who quote me partially and attempt to twist it. Kiradawea left out that the quote she was using was one where I stated suspicion against her. That's important, I feel. I in turn responded with a question because I want to know why she did it.

As she made no claim other than she was "suspicious" of me, I don't see how I'm trying to shift attention or be convoluted when she botched a quote that she used to cast said suspicion.

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It seems odd to me that you note Kiradawea altered a quotation (which has not been explained), and you attempt to insinuate I shouldn't be asking questions about why.


Like we both said, she just quoted the part where you contradicted yourself.
The fact that you pointed your finger at Kiradawea, and continue to do so, is, in my eyes, you trying to say "look at her, she did the same thing I did, but I pointed my finger first!"
kiriwe2009-03-08 23:42:50
QUOTE (Narsrim @ Mar 8 2009, 07:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do note:

The first quote in Kiradawea post was HER quote. The second quote was MY quote. It would be contradicting if I stated both of those, but I didn't. Kiradawea posted she had suspicion for Fyler/Kiriwe. I posted that I found it strange she was trying to steer us in that direction with no real reason as to why.


Oh, definately didn't see that. That's no good. Unvote

Kiradawea, was that on purpose? That was pretty scummy, leading us to believe that Narsrim said both of those things.
Narsrim2009-03-08 23:42:54
How do I continue to point my finger at her? Can you provide an example of where I've tried to get a mass of people to jump the gun and lynch someone because they were acting intentionally strange and drawing attention to themselves.

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The damnest thing of it all Kiriwe, is she was suspicious of you, and here I was suggesting she was being strange herself. And now you're defending her? I'm just not sure what to think of that.
Unknown2009-03-08 23:45:06
Your quote was speaking against reading into posts at the beginning, and with the little information we have I'm fairly certain it still counts as such. The dropping of one small part that was a simple statement of suspicion really is just irrelevant when the rest of the post makes your suspicion obvious. It also hardly qualifies as modifying a quote. She also gave reason why she was suspicious of you, twisting intentions to cast someone being helpful into the focus.