[Mafia]Angels and Demons: TERRA

by Daganev

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Unknown2009-03-09 20:27:35
Just because I don't post doesn't mean I don't keep up with what's going on. My votes haven't even been simply votes, I've given my reasons for it in the same post.
kiriwe2009-03-09 20:30:56
Right, but nothing is happening, and a lot of people have been quiet since Day2 started. Posts without votes in them are just as important as posts with votes.
Noola2009-03-09 20:31:47
QUOTE (Renthur @ Mar 9 2009, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just because I don't post doesn't mean I don't keep up with what's going on. My votes haven't even been simply votes, I've given my reasons for it in the same post.



Yeah, but not posting like that does make you seem guilty cause it seems like you're trying to hide. Afraid to say too much and tip folks off or something.
Casilu2009-03-09 20:35:16
QUOTE (Noola @ Mar 9 2009, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, but not posting like that does make you seem guilty cause it seems like you're trying to hide. Afraid to say too much and tip folks off or something.


That's a good strategy if you don't want to say too much for both scum and power roles, no?
Kiradawea2009-03-09 20:45:48
Y'know. Azazel bothers me greatly. It does make some sense, because Azazel is tied into the concept of the scapegoat. However... see. The jews had a festival wherein they used two goats. One goat for the Lord and one for Azazel. The first goat was sacrificed for Atonement. But y'see, this other goat. This goat was chosen to carry the sins of everyone else. The High Priest would confess the sins of him and his kinsfolk to the goat. The goat was then set free into the desert. It's where the idea of a "scapegoat" comes from. So yeah, everything fits so far right?

Except this one thing. Azazel appears in 1 Enoch, a book in the Apocrypha. And that's why the name has always been bothering me. I didn't remember it at first, but I finally got around to do some research and I found this quote. "The whole earth has been corrupted through the works that were taught by Azazel: to him ascribe all sin."

Azazel can be a scapegoat. However, he was originally one of the bad guys. One of the really bad guys.

Make of that what you wish, though if there's an investigator out there you might want to check Fyler.

---

Anyway I personally want to believe him for now. I cannot find anything that would give Azazel the role an inheirtant resurrective ability. Instead I want to turn my focus back on Narsrim. While I am still suspicious of Dai, he's temporarily excused since he is busy. However Narsrim ain't. See, instead of trying to explain himself, he uses Renthur's confusion about my post to try and build a case against me and cast me into a shady light, rather than strengthening his own case. Now why would he do that? Me? I'm pretty sure that he's a demon.

Vote: Narsrim
Kiradawea2009-03-09 20:53:02
Remember, you shouldn't only look at post count when deciding if someone is suspicious, but also the content of those posts.
Noola2009-03-09 21:02:04
You know what? Yeah, FOS on Fyler.

As for my vote, I think I'm going to go with Narsrim. I think Kiradawea has a point bout him. Though, I really wish Renthur would post more. There just really are too many pages of posts for someone to only have 12 posts.

Vote Narsrim
Kiradawea2009-03-09 21:03:04
QUOTE (Renthur @ Mar 9 2009)
Just because I don't post doesn't mean I don't keep up with what's going on. My votes haven't even been simply votes, I've given my reasons for it in the same post.


QUOTE (Renthur @ Mar 9 2009)
Your quote was speaking against reading into posts at the beginning, and with the little information we have I'm fairly certain it still counts as such. The dropping of one small part that was a simple statement of suspicion really is just irrelevant when the rest of the post makes your suspicion obvious. It also hardly qualifies as modifying a quote. She also gave reason why she was suspicious of you, twisting intentions to cast someone being helpful into the focus.


QUOTE (Renthur @ Mar 9 2009)
Narsrim, being suspicious of her has no relevance to those quotes at all, and at the moment you're going against what your post was quoted saying. I'm not sure but day 2 still seems like the beginning, especially since all we've got to go on is that Fyler was a jester and came back and that Fania is gone. You're also not bothering to refute that you were twisting words and intent, just simply trying to shift the focus of attention with more of it.

Vote: Narsrim


QUOTE (Renthur @ Mar 8 2009)
It coulda been part of his role, He wins when he's lynched, and after that he comes back as an angel due to some martyr affect or something like that. I dunno though.


QUOTE (Renthur @ Mar 5 2009)
Fyler, arguing that any information benefits scum/town is pointless. It's all in how it is worked. The only time the scum would benefit exclusively would be if it were a flat out claim of 'Oh I'm the doctor, kill me!' You're looking at one side and assuming the town is incapable of pulling information out. The second post quoted was also a simple explanation of why she wanted people to post rather than be inactive, no reason to jump down her throat for it especially since with only 12 people we need everyone to participate anyway. On that note, Unvote Vote: Fyler


These are Renthur's latest five posts. Except for being overly eager at agreeing with me (and seeing that we're married IC it's not that odd), I don't find him particularily suspicious. These aren't the posts of someone who is lying low to hide something. This is just the way Renny is.
Fyler2009-03-09 21:12:46
QUOTE (Kiradawea @ Mar 9 2009, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Y'know. Azazel bothers me greatly. It does make some sense, because Azazel is tied into the concept of the scapegoat. However... see. The jews had a festival wherein they used two goats. One goat for the Lord and one for Azazel. The first goat was sacrificed for Atonement. But y'see, this other goat. This goat was chosen to carry the sins of everyone else. The High Priest would confess the sins of him and his kinsfolk to the goat. The goat was then set free into the desert. It's where the idea of a "scapegoat" comes from. So yeah, everything fits so far right?

Except this one thing. Azazel appears in 1 Enoch, a book in the Apocrypha. And that's why the name has always been bothering me. I didn't remember it at first, but I finally got around to do some research and I found this quote. "The whole earth has been corrupted through the works that were taught by Azazel: to him ascribe all sin."

Azazel can be a scapegoat. However, he was originally one of the bad guys. One of the really bad guys.

Make of that what you wish, though if there's an investigator out there you might want to check Fyler.

---

Anyway I personally want to believe him for now. I cannot find anything that would give Azazel the role an inheirtant resurrective ability. Instead I want to turn my focus back on Narsrim. While I am still suspicious of Dai, he's temporarily excused since he is busy. However Narsrim ain't. See, instead of trying to explain himself, he uses Renthur's confusion about my post to try and build a case against me and cast me into a shady light, rather than strengthening his own case. Now why would he do that? Me? I'm pretty sure that he's a demon.

Vote: Narsrim


Interesting that all your facts would make me a "bad guy" yet I've already been lynched and proven to be neutral, then you go on to say that you have not uncovered anything that would explain a self resurrection. I dislike such a stretch in speculation. Even more suspicious is how quickly Noola jumped onto that suspicion boat, after already been fingered as someone who might be a Demon by Casilu.

Vote: NOOLA

Following on the coattails of too many people's logic, which is what someone trying not to be noticed will do. It means you are neither lurking or being aggressive, and with the odd statements that have been highlighted previously, I think you are a safe bet.

Noola2009-03-09 21:20:20
QUOTE (Fyler @ Mar 9 2009, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Interesting that all your facts would make me a "bad guy" yet I've already been lynched and proven to be neutral, then you go on to say that you have not uncovered anything that would explain a self resurrection. I dislike such a stretch in speculation. Even more suspicious is how quickly Noola jumped onto that suspicion boat, after already been fingered as someone who might be a Demon by Casilu.

Vote: NOOLA

Following on the coattails of too many people's logic, which is what someone trying not to be noticed will do. It means you are neither lurking or being aggressive, and with the odd statements that have been highlighted previously, I think you are a safe bet.



It's not really quick, I was already doubting that you're an angel (I did mention that). This just firmed up my doubt a bit. Still not enough to actually vote on you, but definitely enough to FOS you.
Casilu2009-03-09 21:23:27
QUOTE (Noola @ Mar 9 2009, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's not really quick, I was already doubting that you're an angel (I did mention that). This just firmed up my doubt a bit. Still not enough to actually vote on you, but definitely enough to FOS you.


But his and my points still stand, you're very quick to jump on bandwagons.
Noola2009-03-09 21:28:25
QUOTE (casilu @ Mar 9 2009, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But his and my points still stand, you're very quick to jump on bandwagons.



I do, I admit it. Always have been. If someone's made a bandwagon, and it makes sense to me, I'm not going to not join it just cause it's a bandwagon. Especially if I'm torn between several different possibilities.
Casilu2009-03-09 21:32:50
QUOTE (Noola @ Mar 9 2009, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I do, I admit it. Always have been. If someone's made a bandwagon, and it makes sense to me, I'm not going to not join it just cause it's a bandwagon. Especially if I'm torn between several different possibilities.


That's the problem. You've jumped on every bandwagon, it's an easy scum tactic. Very easy way to blend in.
Noola2009-03-09 21:38:19
QUOTE (casilu @ Mar 9 2009, 04:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's the problem. You've jumped on every bandwagon, it's an easy scum tactic. Very easy way to blend in.



Oh, I've started a few too. More in Day one than this Day, sure, but still. It's not like I haven't at all. And, like I said, if someone happens to firm up an argument about someone that makes sense and meshes with what I'm already thinking, I'm not going to not join it just cause someone might think I was just joining a bandwagon. If folks did that, then there'd never be more than three votes on anyone.
kiriwe2009-03-09 21:40:59
QUOTE (Fyler @ Mar 9 2009, 05:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Interesting that all your facts would make me a "bad guy" yet I've already been lynched and proven to be neutral, then you go on to say that you have not uncovered anything that would explain a self resurrection. I dislike such a stretch in speculation. Even more suspicious is how quickly Noola jumped onto that suspicion boat, after already been fingered as someone who might be a Demon by Casilu.

Vote: NOOLA

Following on the coattails of too many people's logic, which is what someone trying not to be noticed will do. It means you are neither lurking or being aggressive, and with the odd statements that have been highlighted previously, I think you are a safe bet.


Yes, but you are alive again, and we don't know definitively how your role has changed as a result.
Also, her research looks good to me, though I will probably go and double check for myself.
A third point, she didn't actually vote for you, she suggested that somebody investigate you, and said she doubted you.

I'm seconding her FOS
Dugan2009-03-09 21:42:01
Refresh my memory ... why is Dai missing in action?
Kiradawea2009-03-09 21:46:11
QUOTE (Dugan Diluculo @ Mar 9 2009, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Refresh my memory ... why is Dai missing in action?

University.

According to himself at least. He's not off the hook. I'm just much more suspicious of Narsrim right now.
Dugan2009-03-09 21:50:03
QUOTE (Kiradawea @ Mar 9 2009, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
University.

According to himself at least. He's not off the hook. I'm just much more suspicious of Narsrim right now.


When did he say he would be back?
Dugan2009-03-09 21:57:39
You know, that doesn't really matter. I think I am going to

VOTE: NOOLA

You let it slip that you have a night action. I'd like some type of claim that an investigator can check.
Noola2009-03-09 22:12:06
Sure. I'm the Angel Gabriel. That should be enough for an investigator to confirm I'm pro town, I think. I hope that someone'll investigate Fyler though cause I still think the likelyhood of his being pro town is iffy.