Lol, like I've got any muscle anyway. Emo people don't develop muscles. They weep all their body fat away. This is why skinny jeans were invented.

Emo people have muscle. It is simply a matter of cutting deep enough to find it.

Are you seriously arguing the merits of eating an emo person with me? Do you want to get poisoned? They are not good eatin'.

Eating emo? It's more like sampling fine wine. You just put it in your mouth, enjoy it, and spit it back out.

You win this round with that awesome analogy. But I'll get you next time, Gadget! NEXT TIME!

Now, I shall savor my victory:

Bartender, a milk... on the rocks.

I suppose this interesting discussion is now over.

If you are going to be an attention whore, at least be funny.

Yrael hasn't been posting. I don't understand.

What, are you so dull that half a page of trolling has given you amnesia? DISCUSSION AHOY!

EDIT: TO THE DISCUSSIONCOPTER!

Neither do I, as I don't know who Yrael is.



Keep trying.

Okay, I will.

I thought this video raised some excellent points. Clearly we, as a species, have a duty to our environment. Just because we are more intelligent than other animals does not give us the right to abuse or trample them: with great power comes great responsibility, and necessarily we're going to have to change the way we treat animals and our environment. However that doesn't mean I agree with the more militant, PETA-esque aspects of this video: obviously the video is designed to play on our consciences and be used as a propganda tool. But that doesn't make the key message any less valid.

Might I add, the logic of the video is botched. It presents a fairly accepted belief (we shouldn't torture animals for mindless amusement) and then introduces situations where animals do suffer, but aren't necessarily being tortured for the sake of inflicting pain. For example:

Current FDA regulations require all medications (all of them) to be tested in an animal model and proven safe before human testing can be performed. In some cases, the animal suffers and dies. A direct consequence of this, however, is that human life was not wasted because of some unforeseeable interaction that was not predicted on paper. The animal is not slain for amusement. The animal is not made to suffer for the sake of suffering.

If this was not done, we would have no means of assessing pharmodynamic/kinetics; toxicity; etc. in human beings without killing people in droves.

That's the gray area, in my opinion. I think all right-thinking people can agree that torturing animals for no purpose is wrong, abhorrent and shameful. But there's a clear gulf where some people are willing to say "allowing an animal to suffer for the sake of science is an acceptable evil, assuming it helps people" - and others are unwilling to compromise in this. And this is where my view differs from the PETA militant "ANIMALS MUST NEVER BE HARMED" view, because I do value human lives above that of, say, a cat or dog. If an animal must be killed in order to procure a cure for a disease, so be it. If an animal must suffer so a human can live, so be it. You can wail and whine about humanity "abusing" their position, but what humanity does to animals in the sake of science is the oldest, most inbred trait of them all: survival of our own species, and it's a very natural impulse.

It just depends on the reasons why you're doing it. I'm a human, I've got my own sense of self-preservation, and if I'm offered the chance to serve myself or my cat to a bear, I'm going to make my cat be damn appetizing. Maybe with some delicious, salty tears. But that's besides the point:

If we have to test a cancer cure on thousands of rabbits that might die in the process, go right ahead.

If we're testing this new, fabulous hair product on rabbits and it ends up killing them and making them die horrible deaths...there's plenty of other brands out there, gtfo.

Sane people won't willingly torture an animal. If they're actually supposed to kill one, they generally make it as quick and painless as possible. Personally, I can't even hold a gun and my dad is a hunter by nature, both with guns and bows. He brought home everything we could use.

PETA just euthanizes the animals rescued during their raids.

Exactly. So what makes them better than me? At least I'm eating the buggers.

EDIT: To clarify, I don't eat cats.

Ahem. And right back at you, Narsrim.

This video has logic holes you could not only drive a truck through, but several buildings, Narsrim's head and most of the US Navy. I mean, jesus. I'm not even all the way through it and I've got a text file that would probably be upwards of a hundred kilobytes in size.

Jack makes me laugh

Me too.