Generally yes, but I am not sure if it applies here. We have no investigators, no doctors, no blockers. There is no way for the town to gain any information. We have 16 vanilla townies. 1 joker and 1 possible bomb.

We have really two options:

vote no lynch ... we go into the night with 16 vanilla townies, 1 joker, 1 bomb. During the night, the joker converts another vanilla townie, we then have 15 vanilla townies, 1 joker, 1 new spawn.

lynch a townie ... we go into the night with 15 vanilla townies, 1 joker, 1 bomb. During the night, the joker converts another vanilla townie, we then have 14 vanilla townies, 1 joker, 1 new spawn.

And sorry, I highly doubt we will lynch the actual joker on night one.

I would agree with you if we had no suspects/it was just random, but we have a suspect.

I don't vote unless I am willing to lynch the person I am voting for. At this moment, I am willing to lynch Silferras.
But, could you explain? You said you would after the third vote on her was cast

Notice how you didn't repeat reasoning already established by other people as the reason for your vote.

Normally, if someone is voting just because they happen to agree with what was already being said, they will say that is their reason. They won't just repeat the information like it's new to them unless they have something to hide, or they have information that they know the rest of the group doesn't have.

edit to the above:

Since normally the scum are not lynching for the person they are voting for because they think they are scum, they have a harder time writing honestly about their motives, and thus do what they think people expect them to do, instead of doing what a personal actually does.

Kiriwe, I realise you have reading difficulties because you choked last game on trying to read perfectly simple posts, but please review the explanation I have given for your confusion at least 3 times now. I will reiterate:

@ Doman: nurrrrh. The logic is not horrible. Again, I've explained this multiple times, since not lynching more abnormals -particularly since they're potentially killers that can remove vanillas - gets in the way of the town, whereas lynching vanillas is a gain for him. Also, I don't know why you're ignoring this since it's so obviously a possibility (why would a townie bomb just up and claim like that instead of when he was almost lynched, or to catch a liar claiming to be abnormal, or to get an SK who attacked him later?) but he could easily be lying and not just specifically about being a jester.

@ In general: I realise Daganev had a good run with catching scum last game, but I'm pretty successful with that too. Simple example: I've gotten 3/3 scum (although one was an SK, and two were invincible...) over the last two times I was a vig.
Also, I still hate this 3/4 reasoning, but I guess Silferras has been kind of dubious.

Woops, I said I'd reiterate then didn't because I write posts in a weird order.

Actually reiterating: even if they don't volunteer to do it on the principle that Jack could be lying and that's a benefit to them, we just lynch them like we were going to anyway. REALLY EASY.

So, have we agreed on anything yet? To lynch or not to lynch? And who to lynch?

Correct. Silferras is looking like an option. I still find Daganev's covering for the joker (and the no lynch thing, and jumping on me) to be extremely scummy, but he seems to have persuaded a bunch of people one way or another.

I really hope you didn't mean this literally, because that is exceedingly insulting.
Not catching nuances is not the same as "reading difficulties"

I mean it literally, but not in the medical sense, if that helps. You are just clearly having difficulty reading and understanding this specific piece of information and you did the exact same thing last game (i.e the smash bros game, wasn't really concentrating on the angels one). My guess is that you are getting conflicting information stuck in your head and becoming unable to resolve the two, but who knows!

Okay, since it's going down this route, there's no point in hiding it. The reason I'm not convinced that Jack is what he claims is that I was the one who was converted last night. I'm now a pro-town retired arsonist who can PRIME one person at night (strange since they're not supposed to, though I guess the dice rolled that way and the role would be useless otherwise) and then IGNITE during the day to kill them. In short, I'm a one-shot townie dayvig with a weird setup.

Unless the Joker can convert two people in one night, Jack is NOT what he claims, hence my general suspicion of him. To address Daganev's points:



I wanted to see where Jack was going with his claim.



I'm not vanilla, so that would be lying.



I was trying my best not to accidentally give away the 'info' I had, yes, but now you have it. Lynch Jack, because he's either the Joker claiming 'pro-town bomb' to protect himself, or lying. Third option being that the Joker can convert two people in one night instead of one, of course, in which case.. I have nothing to add.

hosnap. Now what?

Now that is a unique twist. I tend to believe Silferas. She has nothing to lose. We lynch Jack, he proves to be town, Silferas is like insta-lynched on the next day. She knows that, this ain't her first game.

Orly. Well...I can't see why either of these two people would make that claim if they were vanilla. Also, Silferras would be retarded to make that claim now if she was the joker (at least, it seems that way to me.) The possibility still exists for Jack, though. But we can't rule out that the joker really can convert 2 people in one night...



What does all this mean? "they"'re not supposed to what?

Yeah, that sentence is strange. What do you mean by that?

I'm ambivalent about Silferras' claim. It does seem very complicated, but at this point of time, I do not know if this is a plus point or a negative point. I'm getting mixed signals from Silferras, so I'm not too sure of her or Jack right now.

Unvote

Cause Silferras and Jack are looking to be way larger possibilities right now.

@Dugan: I'm not saying that Jack is townie or not, only that he has to be lying except in the case that the Joker can convert two a night. For all we know, he could be a vanilla townie trying to er, 'spice things up.' Which would make things even more confusing than they are.

@Shiri: From the way my role info reads and how it's presented on mafiascum when I subsequently looked it up, it looks like retired arsonists aren't supposed to be able to prime, only ignite. Except igniting would be useless without someone being primed, so it looks like the one-shot thing was thrown in so the role wouldn't be completely useless. Either way, doesn't seem like a skill I'll be using until we have our Joker suspect and/or more potentially mafia converts.

I shall believe the Espeon!

UNVOTE, Vote Jack

Yes, Jack's claim does seem rather Farfetch'd. Bahahaha.

Not cool. I was actually gonna say that sometime, but I didn't and you did, so you're the lame one. All my jokes have been super cool.