It's obvious that both of them have to die if we're going to figure out anything from this little lover's spat, but wouldn't it be simpler to just hammer on Shiri right now and then lynch Daganev tomorrow?

That's what I am thinking.

If you ignore which one is scummier, yes, but you save a vanilla death if you do it the other way around.

Also, it's kind of sad that I didn't know Reiha was in the game until she voted me (I thought she was ninjaing in from outside of the thread to screw with me.)

but we already have so many votes on you...

Who said Daganev's scum? Who's even said that there's a scum group in play yet? We don't know anything really, so why can you make the claim that Daganev is scum? If you ask me, you're just using the word scum instead of abnormal to try and raise panic levels and turn the near-lynch against you around onto Daganev. Which makes you just as suspicious as him. So it really doesn't matter which of you dies first.

Yes, I know, and they're all completely spurious. You do not win a mafia game by saying "hey, we already have votes on this guy, let's just finish him off instead of going for the scum so we can get it over with." If you kill Daganev, and he turns out townie, you can kill me just to get it out of your consciences (though in that unlikely event I'd have to recommend Solanis.) But since he's more likely to be a scum than I am, as has been demonstrated by both our actions throughout the game, it's a safer bet to kill him. Daganev has votes on him too, so it'll go quickly if people change (or the people who aren't voting contribute.)

We need another dayvig. :/

I'm using the word "scum" to mean anything from "joker" to "SK/mafia that he converted." Scum does not mean mafia group, it means anti-town. I tried to BS this distinction once when I was a cultist, but no, it was still scum. Your aggro is entirely unfounded! I don't think Daganev is a townie abnormal (though it's not impossible), his motives and claims have seemed generally anti-town thus far, not just abnormal.

She had to prep those things, and was an SK, not a vig

Until we have a night-kill, I'm going to aggro on whoever I find the most suspicious. For me, right now, that's still Dugan, which is why I haven't hammered on you myself. As for Daganev and you, it's hard for me to believe anything you two say about each other, because you always go for each other's throats EVERY SINGLE GAME. It's getting TIRING.

Well if we think you are both being too confusing then no you both will be lynched. I think Dag makes the most sense of the two of you. If you have to post a hugely long post just to prove your non-guilt, then you are most likely the joker (or scum). I don't think you are non-scummy enough to not want to lynch you today. I will not be switching my vote over to Dag today.

I'm really hurt and not changing my vote now!!

I was ready to cast the final vote for Shiri, but I have to say I found his post convincing: not necessarily on Daganev being scum, but on Shiri likely not being. I am working on a project I need to turn in by tomorrow morning, so my attention span is pretty short at the moment (basically coming here on procrastinating breaks), but I'll let it sit in the back of my mind and think about my list and likely suspects.

Yeah, that was mean to Reiha! Be nice people. This is not a game to find out who has the biggest balls.

So your claim is that because people are voting for me, I must be guilty?

It's not like I haven't already explained most of those things before, but Daganev keeps either understanding or pretending to understand them (I'm guessing the latter) and because he doesn't get it other people think they haven't gotten it either. And, because Daganev seems committed to the idea that scum don't complain when people put them in real or imagined false dilemmas, if I hadn't posted that he would have said I wasn't explaining myself or citing things that actually happened.

And Daganev and I don't aggro on each other EVERY SINGLE game...just most of them...(reminds me of when he was like 100% sure I was scum in Ryleth's game, roleblocked me to prove it and there was no kill that night, and I was vanilla.)

I can't tell if this is serious or not. I really hope it isn't, 'cause that post wasn't mean even if it wasn't a joke.

Ok, making the call right now that if the final vote hasn't been placed on Shiri before I go to bed, I'll hammer it myself. That's probably in about a half-hour to an hour from now. I'm tired of going in circles and I want it to be tomorrow already.

If you haven't voiced your opinion yet, feel free. STOP LURKING, PEOPLE. Yes, that means you, Kiriwe and Dugan.