I would just like to point out that every time that Shiri says I "misrepresented" the Joker's motives, in actuality what he means to say is "he disagrees with my theory". I don't know if he is just being spitefull, or if he is trying to be misleading himself here.

As for Tekora: The only scum tell I see from him is his apathy (which is normal for him)
As for Shamara: He is playing the same way he always does.
As for Dugan: He has a scummy voting record (voting 3rd a few times yesterday and today. But since he has been giving his own reasons, and it wasn't the initial vote, I don't think it's much of a tell)
As for Solanis: Every other time he has played mafia he has stayed as quite as possible almost lurking. It worked for him last game, I doubt he would change his strategy this game.

I suppose I'm just defending everybody today they must all be scum!

Please don't let shiri fool you with his continual use of poor logic. And I don't just mean his logic is poor because he disagrees with me. (that's fine) It's the fact that he keeps insisting that anyone who disagrees with him is "misrepresenting" or being deceitful in some way.

Solanis was scum last game... When I said earlier that he played mafia, I meant that he played as a member of the actual mafia, i.e. was scum.

There I am defending Solanis... Look we must be scum!

No, it means you actually are misrepresenting it. Seemingly on purpose. Your actions and arguments make much more sense when viewed through the lens that you are the joker.

We already know abnormals aren't ALL scum because of Jack, so trying to throw that one out there is pretty fragile. Some of your assessments don't even make sense. Tekora: apathetic? He's somewhat apathetic about you and me (I can kind of see why it would get annoying after a while), but he clearly has his own opinions about other things. Solanis started out playing completely differently to last round, then changed abruptly. So he already has changed his strategy this game.

Who else is obviously misrepresenting things other than you, by the way? A couple of people just haven't understood (or refused to read) things properly, but that's not the same as deliberate misrepresentation.

Unrelated to Daganev note: I actually don't remember Shamarah playing like this a lot, but it occurs to me that it's been a while since I was actually in a game with him where he didn't die on like night 1 or 2. I even less remember when he was last scum so I don't know what scum tells he usually gives off. Anyone who remembers playing with him other than Daganev want to weigh in on that?

There you go again with your OMGUS attacks. I accuse you of being the Joker, and you go .. "no YOUR the Joker". Just lame. Since I'm not the Joker, you are just wrong.

Plus which one is it Shiri, does the Joker want to lynch townies or does the joker want to lynch abnormals? Or Are you just trying to have it both ways?

If I wasn't so certain of your guilt now, I'd likely be suggesting that we lynch Shamarah, but I'd rather kill off the person who is doing the conversions before we kill off the converts.

I can't believe anybody else is believing that this is how Shiri plays when he is a vanilla townie.

dammit, I need to not get so annoyed when people lie out of lazyness. It's like Shiri knows that nobody is going to bother to read the links I posted (which he claims to have read) which fully supports my play style and strategy. (and yet he claims that I'm just making crap up) And He knows that nobody is going to bother clicking on the links in the mafia sign up thread to see the games where Shamarah played and see that he always plays this way.

Is your memory that bad of when he was playing the Mario game and people were like "Hey shamarah, post more, and give us reasons for your actions!" I guess you just don't want us to remember you playing solid snake, where you convinced everyone early that you were town, when in reality you were mafia. (using the same old attacks on me as well)

Yes, obviously we can just take your word for it despite all your actions. The OMGUS thing in a post containing nothing but is just sad.


Latter. Hence your reluctance to lynch Jack right off the bat. I already admitted I got the details of the Silferras thing wrong, which is literally the only thing giving me pause right now, but everything else is explained much better this way and if you wanted a cover of some kind and didn't want to risk being made to vote for Jack last, even this seems logical from the joker's perspective.


Neither of us are playing the way we were playing in the smash bros. game. While that isn't necessarily convincing for me, it's pretty damning for you. I've already gone over why and you've just stopped struggling with it and are OMGusing me to death (while trying to claim I'm doing it, randomly) now. Presumably you know perfectly well I'll come up vanilla and you'll die tomorrow, but at least get one more night out of it.

I didn't even get an "" He just voted for me (post #474).

@Shiri None of your quotes lead back to anything (nor do they have a post number by them) so basically you are
forcing people to re-read everything just to make sure you aren't misquoting Dag.

Note: I meant my last post in reference to post 514.

Wait, you're going to actually assert I -am- playing the same way? Anyone reading the thread can disprove that instantly. I still don't like your 3-4 vote reasoning, but you'll note I said that -after- the game, not in it, so it's not covered by my actually being scum then. That's just a player opinion.

Yes my memory is actually that bad. I don't even remember that he was in the "mario game" (I assume you mean smash bros.) I'll have a look later (going to sleep soon.) While you're commenting on not reading links though, you seem to have completely skipped the ones I posted, or at least haven't tried to comment on any of it...and the MTG salvation thread was pretty good too so I can only assume you just googled it and blindly cited it as evidence based on the reasoning you're arbitrarily accusing me of using now...

Shiri, seriously just stop lying out of your arse. It's annoying and frustrating. It's like you live in some alternate universe. I've never seen you be so slimy before.

I guess you are trying to pull the "lie enough times it becomes true" card, like you suggested earlier. You hope people won't actually read your big blocks of text and just assume there is good info in there. Which there isn't.

I've had enough. Unless someone has some really good reasons /evidence for why Shiri is acting this way even though he is Townie, I'll just stay quite until sunday. At this point, I can't forsee anything that would actually change my vote. It's just too clear to me now.

If anyone can find a post where I'm misquoting Daganev (actual misquotes, not just accidentally cutting out a line at the end when I moved it from notepad to the forums, though I don't think I did that either) let me know and I'll concede the point.

I'm not and it would be retarded to do that seeing as Daganev would pounce on it in an instant. If you really don't want to read the thread, just take my word for it and look at the damning contents.

Ok, well, it looks like you've just given up on actually trying to refute things and are just trying to sideways insult me now. Your lack of point has been noted.

CATFIGHT MROW HISS

Just thought I would post the posts I'm thinking about where I say Shiri is being the same as the other game when he was scum...





fyi: Hartkux was scum, and Shiri was on her team.

Handily demonstrating that YOU'RE playing the same way I was that game, somewhat strangely since they're only on your team to a limited extent.

I am going to Vote: Shiri because he does keep insisting Dag is scummy, in part because of not wanting to lynch Jack. I don't think that not wanting to kill Jack off is scummy. If you believe that Jack was telling the truth (which I didn't), then he wasn't a threat to the town because he couldn't proactively kill anyone, so it could make sense to leave him alone and go after those you think are the scum to spare an innocent vanilla from getting blown up.

Nor do I see defending Solanis as scummy (sarcasm doesn't always come across well on text) nor calling converted 'scum' as a tell. I don't think he meant that all converted are bad, per se, but that they hurt our win condition and help the joker's (the joker wins even if all of his converts are pro-town doctors).

It may be that both of you are innocent, but that you have become so invested in getting each other for personal competition reasons, but I think that to move forward either one of you needs to go or you two should stop focusing so much energy on each other and look at others. Since Shiri was on my suspect list before (for having the most posts) and for the above, that's where I'm placing my vote.

I also am suspicious of Shamarah because we haven't heard from him since asking for his role. But that can be for tomorrow.

Dag, I haven't yet read the links you posted because I'm going on 3 hours of sleep and still haven't turned in my project (although I plan to in about 20 minutes I hope!), but I will later on today after I turn it in and rest up a bit.

Shiri, you are missrepresenting me, not missquoting me... since you arn't even quoting me.. What didn't I respond to that you would like me to respond to? Do you really want to go in circles with me saying it's a valid strategy and you saying "I disagree, you must be scum!"

Seriously, just drop it.

Are you serious? I was on your scum list for having the most posts? I.e for lurking the least?

Anyway, it's not a crippling loss if Daganev gets another night, but it's still an unacceptable sacrifice that we really shouldn't be making.

Incidentally, following that link led me to this post of Shamarah's:



It looks like he's playing differently this game, amongst other things.

Just fyi, either shiri or me always have the most posts. We seem to write something, and then remember afterwards that we have more to say.

Did you just ignore one of my posts? I quoted you like 12 times. It's a couple pages back. I'm not dropping anything since you're so clearly the joker at this point.