You said they are (and I'll quote you) "far from unstoppable," which was irrelevant because no one had claimed they were unstoppable, including myself. Unless you are trying to debate that the "iwin button" phrase should be taken literally, in which case I'll just roll my eyes and move on.

Take your own advice for once. Posting learn to read over and over doesn't make you right.

You're attempting to make a point to start drama, which is interesting considering your first response to me.

New Rush is really sweet, rush into a room prone and truss someone. plus dragging, good for isolation, rooftops in village revolts and stuff is super nice.

waylay is also extremely helpful, prone and stun, plus a chance to block escape.

not to mention OP evade people complain about.

bracing, agility are decent

not to mention deepcover and veil and masks

In fairness, as a nekotai I consistantly won fights. As a warrior, I've never won a fight against anyone who wasn't a newbie, and my system as a warrior is -much- more complex and inclusive than it was when I was a nekotai. I'm also higher in level than my monk, and a few hundered percent higher in might than him.

With that knowledge, can you really make the argument that monks don't make combat insanely easy?

Edit: Unless, of course, you're taking the semantics waaaay to far and are suggesting that we're claiming monks get to hit a button and sit back to win. Then I--- wait.... that's what I did....

I think you have made (if not proven) your point here. All of the previous posts reveal that you feel very strongly about monks having it easier than your warrior without adding much to the last. I suggest you start pulling out logs of you slaying the many Lusternian fighters you speak of. It'll paint a much clearer picture.

The complexity of combat varies widely between classes and is not a good assessment for balance.

For example, let us consider Wiccans and Guardians. I can think of two decent Celestines, three decent Nihilists, no decent Moondancers, and no decent Shadowdancers in the past -2- irl years. This isn't to say any of the four classes are underpowered - I would argue they are some of the most powerful in Lusternia (I'd say Shadowdancers are currently the most powerful in Lusternia 1-on-1 with the choke tweak with Moondancers shortly behind with various buffs they've gotten over the years).

Now let's consider the opposite spectrum: Bards and Mages are fairly straight forward (illusions being an exception). However, the ease at using the class by no means pushes them into the overpowered spectrum (even Spiritsingers are fairly balance anymore). Bards are all about straight damage and/or deathsong. Mages are all about heartburst or mindburst (with some exception for demigods who can feasibly pull off raw damage).

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Therefore your problems with the warrior class and your lack of problems with monks doesn't mean much. There are plenty of people who report the same. Pentu was an excellent Blacktalon. She was a very mediocre Ebonguard. Murphy was a fantastic Ur'guard. He was a very mediocre Geomancer. It's a matter of personal style and skill more so than anything.

Monks can be very powerful, and monks are broken. However, the reason for monks being broken stems from their ability to dish out afflictions faster than it is possible keep up with because they can build momentum, use it, and rebuild it before you can recover. The only reason this isn't out-of-control crazy is because about 50% of classes hinder well enough that they can prevent momentum from ever being built and thus never have to deal with the affliction output. The other 50%, however, are just screwed.

And this is the conundrum I was speaking of in former posts: Nerfing monks is a very tedious task because they need to made a feasible class. It really doesn't "fix" the problem to shift them from 50% unblockable & 50% tolerable to 50% tolerable & 50% worthless against other classes.

Now explain to me how Shofangi are underpowered?

This is directed solely at Daedalion, right?

Also, are those timestamps? If so, why did it take you a full second to start focus body when he kumaki'd you?

No, this is aimed at anyone saying that Shofangi are one of the most underpowered monks.

And I dunno about the focus part. If I had noticed, I would have manually focused faster.

Next time you fight a Shofangi, parry chest and stance legs. Trust me.

Wait, so is your problem with underpowered MONKS or underpowered in relation to the other guilds? Those are completely different claims.

The second. Monks aren't overpowered. See: Me.

You're still overpowered even if you don't know how to use it effectively.

If you got a better system and forms from some of the better ninjakari that would probably help.

If I roll a noob BT, completely and intentionally suck at combat, and post lots of logs, can druids be underpowered too? Plz?

MDs are UP too. I can't think of any top-tier wiccans since Narsrim and Tuek. Buff wicca!

My suggestions are:

- Add fearaura to dryads, as enemies cower in fear of their power
- add jinx affliction to crone

I actually suggested to our envoy to make NATURE VINES work if there's a dryad tree present. Makes dryad more useful, and Vines less restricted.

Wait, they don't already do that?

Vines used to work if there was a Dryad.

Are you positive it doesn't now?