Translation: I complained about fearaura "in private" for a year, but only now decided to actually post about how unfair it is.

Edit:: Oh, yeah, and I am totally worried about one of my precious skills. That must be why I agreed with Shuyin's suggestion for Fearaura. Unless... you mean Wolf... in which case we come back to "Fearaura is OP. Nerf Wolf."

It's coming across more like, "Fearaura is OP. Make Fearaura more effective."

I have harmony, fearaura doesn't affect me. Never thought I'd find something I liked about the skill

Nerfing wolf is fine. Make it have somewhere between 33%-50% fear resistance and have a room message when it successfully prevents the fear so you know when to compose (similar to how rubeus works). The scent portion would be unchanged, of course.

Rofl. Said ceasefire ended as soon as it was made, mainly due to Talkan, Narsrim, and Sidd.

It didn't even last one night.

So.

"Fearaura is OP. Buff Fearaura or nerf wolf." ?

That really doesn't make sense, and I think you know it!

Choke was around for 2 irl years before you complained about it. I guess we should change it back?

Choke was complained about since day 1. Nice try though... Oh, wait, no it wasn't.

It was also the most envoy attempted skill to get changed met with constant disagreement on what should be done with it or just outright veto by the admins on changing it.

edit:: really I don't know what is more funny, the fact you all deny that the reason this has come up is because you are getting feared by Glom in raids or the fact that you expect everyone to believe this only came up because it is a matter of balance. It was a 'nerf communes' thread from the start and nobody, I hope, is stupid enough to believe that out of the blue this came up unprompted.

There wasn't a single envoy suggestion for choke for over 2 years. There were no forum posts complaining about it. In fact, Shadowdancers were largely regarded as underpowered, and this is what lead to adding succumb to Night.

EDIT:

It also lead to the upgrade of the Redcap.

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And the addition of Drink.

Likewise, problems arise when problems are noticed.

We'll nerf Wolf when I get a Trueheal dingbat artifact.

Yet Malicia implies this has been a noticed problem for a long time. Funny that it takes a year to address this problem she noticed.

Also, Choke complaints started in the end of 2005 (shortly after the skill came out), started up again the beginning of 2007, and were pretty much constant from then on. So they took a 1 year forum break, in fact when they did start up again they started up due to a thread by Diamante discussing the fact that people are complaining so much about Choke and he was giving tips on how to deal with it. Meaning that even though the post count may have diminished, the complaints certainly did not.

I am willing to bet that this whole thread rests on you and your personal inability to deal with fearaura, just by the very fact of how you operate.

edit:: And wait... Wolf Totem has been around for 4+ years. You only just 'noticed a problem' with it giving 100% fear immunity now? Gee... What brought on that sudden revelation?

BTW, those are rhetorical questions.

Just to make it clear. I don't mind if we change wolf totem so it doesn't give fear immunity or change fear aura so that everyone is hit equally by it. The end result achieves the same thing, a more equal chance of everyone being hit by it instead of having some orgs be more affected by fearaura and others not fazed at all.

Edit: @ Gregori: Why is that conspiracy theory even relevant to the topic at hand? It's a flimsy argument at the very best. Unless you disagree that wolf (immunity) and fearaura used together does not produce an imbalanced scenario compared to every other guild (except harmony monks) whom have to contend with it. Wolf totem giving immunity has been complained about a number of times in the past, this certainly isn't the first it has come to light.

Working like rad? Do you mean only working if on balance/eq and taking summon resistance into account?

@ Charune: I'd be fine with that, really. Having it check both summon resist and balance/eq.

Seriously? This is the biggest problem you guys can really think of to rant about?

Okay, fearaura breaks up groups when you don't have fear immunity. Two orgs have a good deal of fear immunity. Fearaura doesn't work well against those two orgs.

Okay, let's nerf wolf so it doesn't make you immune to fear.

As an addendum, I can't help but notice that the cities have superior summoning ability to the communes. In group fights, cities can easily whore summoning abilities and even do untargetted summons, which gives them a clear advantage. While we're at it, why don't we make guardian summon abilities require 1 power and water/earth terrain, appropriate to the organization.

As long as we are working on balancing abilities so that they all work evenly, we could come up with all kinds of stuff.

Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with nerfing fearaura somehow like to give a message before it actually strikes so you can be prepared, but 5 pages worth of ranting really seems pretty ridiculous.

People complain about everything. There were no envoy suggestions for choke until years after the skill came out. Why? No one used them to great success and as such, it was a generally ignored ability. The same can be said for any ability prior to coming into the limelight. This doesn't make any implication whatsoever. If something is broken, it is broken. It doesn't become more or less broke when people start using it.

Therefore, I think it should be easy to conclude that Wolf Totem was never in question before Fear Aura because immunity to fear wasn't that big of a deal. Fear Aura was never in question until it became apparent that it has huge combat implications.

I think Gregori's question is, why has it only "now" become apparent that it has huge combat implications?

It was "fine" when used heavily against Glom and Magnagora (both Celest and Serenwilde have used it often since it came out). I've used it in most Domoth skirmishes myself, but I've just been the lone Ascendant on the Mag/Glom side for ages so it's not really been a game-breaker against you, but Celest has sure enjoyed its use for quite some time. It wasn't apparent until now? Really?

I don't find that argument of yours very convincing. Better to stick with FearAura being OP.

They could make a case for not being aware of how powerful it was, not having been on the recieving end of heavy-duty use of it until now. (However it does seem from an outsiders perspective that this is a case of "it was fine when I used it, but it's terrible, teddible when you guys do".)

I think this is largely an asinine point. It doesn't matter when something is addressed. If it is broken, it is broken. Likewise, I'm not sure when you became so oblivious to the idea of perspective, but allow me to spell it out: it's much harder to determine the impact of something when you only see one side of the equation. Most of Glomdoring is immune is fear. Thus using fear aura against them didn't really enlighten Malicia or anyone else to how impacting it can be. This is why I have the most difficulty fighting classes I've never been, but monks (who are very powerful at the moment) don't dent me.

That being said, I'm not sure what expectation you have. Malicia has complained about this for a while, and she recently created this thread. Are you insinuating that if she posted the first time she had issues with it, people wouldn't be drilling her? I think not. In fact, the administration has openly said on many occasions it prefers for things to be thoroughly tested and examined over time.