@Earlier mentioning of wisp, it's almost certainly Dryad. I've dodged in and out of melded rooms just to plant a dryad and went wisp-happy yanking people out of the meld, and they're none the wiser.

It's the twilight zone, Malarious and I are in agreement.

In one of Gregori's other threads, Narsrim made this post:



Clearly the implication is that introducing an enchant which sort of helps (while still leaving one side with an advantage) is a good enough compromise.

In that same vein, what about making fearaura cause the fear affliction, and then introducing an enchant that will passively cure fear afflictions on a tick. Then, we can get rid of wolf totem and replace it with resistance to fear (not immunity) which can be stacked and used on others.

If this sort of solution works for making debating even, why not for fearaura?

How exactly are communes at a disadvantage for dramatic afflictions via use of a focus enchantment since I believe both sides can now enchant it? The more this goes on and on, the more confused you seem.

This is just nonsense, even if wolf totem was changed to give 50% resistance to fear, you still have the advantage of 50% to fear that no one else has and scent that only those whom have purchased the artifact have...all wrapped up in a novice skill.

You are making it about dramatic afflictions - in reality, the thread was not about dramatic afflictions. It was about debating and the fact that the cities have a clear advantage. Your post indicated that, because focus enchants exist, it is basically even. I was simply applying the same idea here to see how the logic went over.



I'd say the same about laetitia. Cities have the advantage of being able to chant for each other, which is not even available to communes.

I should clarify again that I am not necessarily completely disagreeing. I think fearaura and ascendants in general need to be looked at. I am just hoping to point out what a farce this entire thread has been. I am irritated by the whole idea that every ability needs to work equally well against everyone and any advantage of any time for one org or another is unreasonable and needs to be fixed. If we are going down that road, then we have no choice but to look at things like laetitia and other imbalances as well.

I'm really not sure how to reply because more and more, I'm doubting your ability to either read or at the very least read with enough ability to digest the material presented. I was replying to Arix's request to remove dramatics afflictions. That has nothing to do with laetitia. It has nothing to do with cities vs. communes.

Are you intentionally being facetious or are you just not paying attention?

I likewise contend that debating attacks scale so fast with ego that laetitia, at most, buys you 1-2 rounds before being shattered because within another 1-2 attacks of being shattered, the debate attack will knock you down from max ego. In my case, I lose debates all the time, but I never let my ego fall very much. The attacks simply override what can be kept up with - and laetitia doesn't change this.

That's simply not true. If you survive even one because of laetitia, you don't automatically lose from the next attack and fail the debate anyway. You could win the next one. The volatile nature of debating makes laetitia more useful, not less, since it can boost you on top of all your regens and stuff to above the margin at which you're going to be insta'd from (which doesn't start at max, even though it gets there eventually.)

A little of both. Didn't you read the end of my last post?

That thread is about dramatics afflictions in the same way this thread is about wolf. The topic is about one thing, and then it mutates into something else.

Likewise, I could contend that Penumbra gives you are +2 charisma bonus/L2 ego regeneration, which in addition to boosting ego increases the recovery speed for influencing and debating equilibrium, which gives a superb advantage over people who lack this ability. All because of the volatile nature.

Likewise as Lendren proved using divinefire, it only took Nydekion 2 additional from getting him to under 1000 ego to taking him down from full ego. Laetitia wouldn't override that.

Related and pointed out as part of the issue in fixing the original concern?

And what's your point? Are making an argument that Malicia should recreate a new topic and title it something different to appease people who think forum titles and topics somehow have anything whatsoever to do with the validity of the argument being presented?

It's called derailment. It happens. Deal with it.

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And the level of derailment is questionable in this instance.

Actually, I've been testing Penumbra. It doesn't impact the speed of which you recover equilibrium from debating. I think it just impacts how hard you hit the other person's ego. I think that is all Charisma does in general. Though it does increase the speed of how fast you recover from influencing.

EDIT: Either that, or my defense weighting isn't making much of an impact on my debate speed regardless of Penumbra and other buffs.

It's not weighted enough. Try influencing/debating as a Viscanti vs. Faeling. It's -huge-.

Charisma never increases debating eq as far as I know. It does increase influencing eq though...which is irrelevant.

How is it irrelevant? It's correlated. When is debating ever a concern when influencing is not (aside from the Justice Medallion challenge)? If you influence faster, you're subject to less debate attacks, which is clearly an advantage.

It's also a disadvantage when it takes you 500 hits at the speed of sloth to influence something. See: Magnagora. I'm sure they will tell you all about it.

I think it's time for a thread summary so this can be closed.



That pretty well sums it up.

Interestingly enough, I don't think anyone really cares about Laetitia from Celest. If you're suggesting we nerf it to justify a nerf to Wolf totem, I don't think anyone from the "Celest" side will disagree. Laetitia isn't nearly as good as people make it out to be, and we're quite willing to let it go.

However, the reservation seems to be from changing Wolf.

EDIT:

Laetitia = +2 charisma for 5p and may be chanted on others for a duration of 1 hour. There! Everyone is happy.

which one is laetitia again?