Balizar was blowing it out his butt again, as usual.

Right, so.. in the interests of narrowing down what targets we might want to go after, I skimmed through the thread and noted down the current claims we have floating out there. I might have missed one or two who did claim, though - I didn't read too closely, there are so many pages argh.

1. Furien -
2. Zynna - claimed vanilla townie
3. Casilu - Offspring, random powers (?) when bolded lines/lyrics are posted during the day
4. Daganev - used power on D1, ended day and prevented nightkills (one-shot?), Star Wars link
6. Shaddus Mes'ard - targeted Llandros N1 (no religion), Bali N2 (heretic), apparently able to find out religious inclinations of target
7. Kiriwe y'Kaliath - some wizard (?) from Harry Potter, dayvig (limited?)
8. Serella - claimed town ("honestly am town and probably not the most worthwhile target for a lynch") after slight confusion over win condition
11. Shiri -
12. Reiha -
13. Aerotan -
14. Silferras -
15. Solanis - claimed vanilla mason with Kiradawea
16. Rika -
17. Kiradawea - claimed vanilla mason with Solanis, has been 'reporting'
18. Llandros - claims advanced cyborg, benefits tech-based roles on death and nightkill-immune from N2 onwards
19. Fania -
20. Esano -
21. Arix - targeted Kiradawea N1, Shiri N2, ability "fairly useless, since it requires that I target someone with a compatible ability at the same time they happen to be using their power"

Also, while reading through the thread, I noticed one other thing. Shiri, I don't understand where you're coming from. Where did Bali stick up for Zynna? I don't see any evidence of that, and they were pretty hostile towards each other (around page 24, post 469 onwards) - Bali even voted for Zynna before he started responding to other accusations and devolving after Kiriwe daykilled him.

Kiriwe is likely Voldemort, honestly. Wouldn't be surprised if we had Harry Potter lurking around here somewhere.

Balizar's role has nothing in particular to do with religion (and a song could easily be religious or anti-religious! If she's a song at all, which is unclear atm). So I'm not seeing why Shaddus is claiming to trigger on it. I also don't understand why he would lie about it if he was scum though, Balizar was well on his way to a lynching as it was.

This said I haven't actually read the novel to know if the dude is secretly a satanist or something, but what was mentioned in the roleclaim seems relevant and that included nothing about religion.

I'd try and find what I meant about Balizar - I just noticed he was attacking her as I was filtering back for Shaddus' role, but I'm like 90% sure I read him talking about how Zynna turned up a "false lead" or something earlier even though there was no reason for him to assert this - but in any case it doesn't matter who he was defending because he didn't know anything about Zynna.

Actually I was being 100% truthful about everything I said up until I was dayvigged.

Blowing it out my butt eh? Anyway, GGs go town

I think Shaddus' conclusion was reasonable, especially after Dia's role was posted.

I do think it's about time the lurkers added something though. I haven't gotten any scum vibes, at all, from Aerotan and he has been more active than some but i guess we have to start somewhere.

Shaddus didn't "conclude" anything - he claimed to get results from his investigation. That puts the burden of explaining the information on him. He -did- "believe" Balizar had a way to kill her, but that's what we all thought, so whatever. On reviewing his quote as posted by Zynna, his wording even leads me to believe he was using "Catholic" as flavour rather than as a game descriptor of some kind...making his conclusion that Balizar was scum even more dubious.

Aerotan I chose because he posted enough for me to remember he was in the game without looking at the list but not enough to actually add any value to the conversation.

Not that I've been around for forever or anything, but is this Aerotan's first game?

It's not, I distinctly remember killing him in the Bioshock Mafia.

After some pondering, on the whole Religion vs. Technology thing we have going on:

We have two, three people that don't quite fit this. Barack Obama, Casilu being a song, and Voldemort. Unless Voldemort is some really vague allusion to religion/magic (pretty sure he's not a closet Catholic, I've read the books), I have to point out we might not actually be looking at a flavour setup like this at all. I wouldn't be surprised if Llandros was lying about NK immunity, even, to cover the fact that his power gets stronger with every passing day.

At the moment we only really have three supportss that Religion and Technology play the slightest role in all this. 1. Shaddus's really trippy investigation (THAT WAS WRONG), 2. Diamondais being the Pope, 3. Llandros claiming that his death benefits technology. Considering the first one is wrong, and that the third one is something to be skeptical of, who knows?

Edit: On reflection, Obama -is- a religious guy. Hmm.

I can't remember him being in any others. Anyway, I'm for other lurky targets or Zynna...although come to think of it I think I'm gonna vote Shaddus until I hear a convincing explanation of wtf he was up to. Depending on how much sense it makes I'll go back to Aero.

Unvote. Vote: Shaddus.

@Furien don't forget you can't edit posts

I'm not sure we can say Shaddus' claim was wrong. There just doesn't seem to be a strong link between religion and whether you are scum or mafia.

Also, i've made a full role claim and have nothing else to give. If somone wants to try to night kill me or investigate me, knock yourself out but I don't have anything else to offer.

Why can't we say Shaddus' role was wrong? Was Rastwhatever a heretic in the book? Looking at the wikipedia article he was a murderer, sure, but rather than anti-religious or particularly progressive sentiments:


(I think Rodya is Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov)

So regardless of the scum thing, it looks like Shaddus was wrong. Unless my skimming missed something crucial. And besides, why would Shaddus have anything to do with "who Diamondais can kill" (if indeed it was limited like that, which it doesn't look like it but is possible given the 1/2 restriction) deal? I think we're going to need a full roleclaim to clear this up.

Nevermind, I did miss stuff by skimming. OTL.

Unvote. Vote: Aerotan.

Shaddus's ability is now known useless to us. But I doubt his ability is useless to him.

Vote Shaddus

I'm sticking with my lynch all liars in this game. So far we have had two really bad actions from the town. The fact that bali lied about being an investigator, and the fact that shaddus's discovery of heretic didn't help us at all either.

btw, Russia is greek orthodox or something like that, or eastern orthodox, not catholic.

It wasn't useless to us if Diamondais was still alive. There's the possibility Diamondais (vig; our side) could only kill infidels. That means there's probably at least ONE scum infidel out there somewhere - incidentally I really hope the scum have a common theme so we can figure them out once we've gotten hold of one. So Shaddus might still be able to find one for us. With that cleared up I think he's town, the main reason I thought he wasn't is that it didn't look particularly hereticky just from what Shamarah posted. But looking at the wiki, in the "themes" section of the novel, it describes Raz as a heretic against his country, himself and God, so that's pretty much an infidel.

So I think we should go after Zynna or a lurker.

Well, although that relies entirely on a particular interpretation of Diamondais' role. If she could kill anyone and it was just worded weirdly, Shaddus is probably scum trying to piggyback off Dia's role since she's dead and unable to refute it or anything. But it's really hard to tell that right now so we'll just consider him as a possibility and move onto other people.

She had a kill restriction. once every 2 days.

Once every 2 days + being a heretic without a way for her to know who a heretic is is just too much. I didn't get the feeling that she can only kill heretics. She just gets to kill anyone whom she as pope decides is a heretic.

I was going to vote for shaddus before you mentioned him, if Bali came up town. I'm going with the lynch all liars/wrong people method for this game.