Kiradawea2009-05-12 23:16:14
The woe that is having an honest job. Everyone wants to be a critic, but they have no idea about all the work that goes into preparing a show. Being neutral, entertaining and informative at the same time is not an easy job. I just wish they could respect that... wait what. You're telling me the camera is running? For how long...? You what? I'm supposed to get a two minute warning so I don't make a public fool of myself. Oh well, might as well roll with the punches...
Good evening my dear viewers. I deeply apologize for what you just saw. I also apologize for this, for I am about to step out of the role as neutral observer to defend my own integrity. Someone has declared out loud that I am a liar. THAT... is a most grave insult, and the pride I take in my job commands me to defend myself. Zynna, you are challenged!
Earlier today, lady Zynna wrote a list regarding everyone who have yet to be brutally massacred. Allow me to display it.
Pay special attention to line three, fifteen and seventeen. Consider them. Consider what you know. For while only one of them contains a direct lie, the other two have conclusions based on false premises.
I shall analyze the lie first. It is hidden in line seventeen. Tell me, my viewers. Have I ever said "I am a reporter!"? No I have not. It is a profession I have chosen. I could have chosen any profession. Singer, dancer, accountant. But the one I chose was reporter. It is my actions that make me a reporter, and nothing else. This has always been the truth, and I have never said otherwise. In addition, she claims that I undermine people. How preposterous. My role is that of a neutral transmitter of information. She cites this claim without proof.
Then we have line fifteen. How cruel to sow doubt about someones integrity due to lack of ability. There was little communication between me and my friend, for we had little time to speak with one another. The night flew by and we barely had time to introduce ourselves to one another.
Then there is line three. To claim that I do not want to verify. One must ask oneself where she gets these odd ideas from. How can I verify something I have no knowledge off? Oh but ah she "explains" it later.
Except, it was never certain that I had to out myself, and I never had to do that. I never had to reveal myself. I "chose" to do so, because I do not want my partner to die. I have no ability to elaborate on Casilu's abilities. It is in my opinion that only one with cruel intent would proclaim inability as misdirection. Or, to quote BaLi, may he rest in peace, when Zynna tried to bring him to death.
Ladies and gentlemen. To me, the proof is clear as day. Zynna is scum. She is too intelligent to make these mistakes.
How was that? Do you think they'll let me make a cameo in Judging Amy now? Wait what's this. Are you still filming? Why you...
Good evening my dear viewers. I deeply apologize for what you just saw. I also apologize for this, for I am about to step out of the role as neutral observer to defend my own integrity. Someone has declared out loud that I am a liar. THAT... is a most grave insult, and the pride I take in my job commands me to defend myself. Zynna, you are challenged!
Earlier today, lady Zynna wrote a list regarding everyone who have yet to be brutally massacred. Allow me to display it.
QUOTE (Zynna @ May 12 2009, 01:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1. Furien - ?
2. Zynna - VT (yay, now I know more lingo!)
3. Casilu - Offspring and apparently gets a new power every day. Claims she used her first power on Kira, but Kira will not verify. No more information is known.
4. Daganev - Reasonable posts but always hard to tell.
6. Shaddus Mes'ard - Likely town. Claimed power to know religions.
7. Kiriwe y'Kaliath - Likely town.
8. Serella - Quiet. Drama when wrote 'fairly sure that a town faction exists.' Seems to imply she has a power, though don't know for which side.
9. B_a_L_i - High scum factor. See posts above.
11. Shiri - Reasonable posts but always hard to tell. Kira has referred to him in several posts as a 'resident hampster' No idea what, if any, meaning this has.
12. Reiha - Quiet
13. Aerotan - Quiet.
14. Silferras - Likely town.
15. Solanis - Slightly scummy. Kira's partner. Said he didn't talk to her much, which seems unlikely. Claimed Llandros did an OMGUS of Diamondais, which many of us did not see it as.
16. Rika - Quiet
17. Kiradawea - High scum factor. Lied about being a reporter (outed by her partner). Ignores or undermines questions/people. Solanis' partner. Did not confirm that Casi used a power on her. Between her and Casi, Kira is more scummy.
18. Llandros - Daykill drama. Says his corpse is useful to technology - could be either to mechanazi or space aliens. No one killed him. Tech people couldn't? Religion doesn't apply to him.
19. Fania - Quiet. Very unlike her. She likes the insane!
20. Esano - Reasonable posts.
21. Arix - ?
Top two suspects for me are Bali and Kiradawea.
I find it interesting that they didn't kill Llandros last night. If his body is useful to tech people, then why didn't they go for it? Not sure if it means they can't or what.
A lot of lurkers still as well.
2. Zynna - VT (yay, now I know more lingo!)
3. Casilu - Offspring and apparently gets a new power every day. Claims she used her first power on Kira, but Kira will not verify. No more information is known.
4. Daganev - Reasonable posts but always hard to tell.
6. Shaddus Mes'ard - Likely town. Claimed power to know religions.
7. Kiriwe y'Kaliath - Likely town.
8. Serella - Quiet. Drama when wrote 'fairly sure that a town faction exists.' Seems to imply she has a power, though don't know for which side.
9. B_a_L_i - High scum factor. See posts above.
11. Shiri - Reasonable posts but always hard to tell. Kira has referred to him in several posts as a 'resident hampster' No idea what, if any, meaning this has.
12. Reiha - Quiet
13. Aerotan - Quiet.
14. Silferras - Likely town.
15. Solanis - Slightly scummy. Kira's partner. Said he didn't talk to her much, which seems unlikely. Claimed Llandros did an OMGUS of Diamondais, which many of us did not see it as.
16. Rika - Quiet
17. Kiradawea - High scum factor. Lied about being a reporter (outed by her partner). Ignores or undermines questions/people. Solanis' partner. Did not confirm that Casi used a power on her. Between her and Casi, Kira is more scummy.
18. Llandros - Daykill drama. Says his corpse is useful to technology - could be either to mechanazi or space aliens. No one killed him. Tech people couldn't? Religion doesn't apply to him.
19. Fania - Quiet. Very unlike her. She likes the insane!
20. Esano - Reasonable posts.
21. Arix - ?
Top two suspects for me are Bali and Kiradawea.
I find it interesting that they didn't kill Llandros last night. If his body is useful to tech people, then why didn't they go for it? Not sure if it means they can't or what.
A lot of lurkers still as well.
Pay special attention to line three, fifteen and seventeen. Consider them. Consider what you know. For while only one of them contains a direct lie, the other two have conclusions based on false premises.
I shall analyze the lie first. It is hidden in line seventeen. Tell me, my viewers. Have I ever said "I am a reporter!"? No I have not. It is a profession I have chosen. I could have chosen any profession. Singer, dancer, accountant. But the one I chose was reporter. It is my actions that make me a reporter, and nothing else. This has always been the truth, and I have never said otherwise. In addition, she claims that I undermine people. How preposterous. My role is that of a neutral transmitter of information. She cites this claim without proof.
Then we have line fifteen. How cruel to sow doubt about someones integrity due to lack of ability. There was little communication between me and my friend, for we had little time to speak with one another. The night flew by and we barely had time to introduce ourselves to one another.
Then there is line three. To claim that I do not want to verify. One must ask oneself where she gets these odd ideas from. How can I verify something I have no knowledge off? Oh but ah she "explains" it later.
QUOTE (Zynna @ May 12 2009, 01:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1. My understanding of Casilu's role was that Kiradawea had to reveal herself in her next post, but how/what portion remains unclear (at least to me). She did sort of, by saying that Solanis was her buddy, but she didn't say that she had been targeted by Casilu or any power. So, I read it as Casi could be confirmed as telling the truth because Kira basically said she was a mason with with Solanis, but that it doesn't mean that Kira is a vanilla mason.
2. I had started off just putting '?' if they were quiet or I didn't have a good sense of what side they were on. Then I started to fill in. When I looked back at my notes I couldn't remember if I put a '?' because he hadn't posted a lot or because I couldn't tell either way. Was too lazy to look back over the 25 pages again.
2. I had started off just putting '?' if they were quiet or I didn't have a good sense of what side they were on. Then I started to fill in. When I looked back at my notes I couldn't remember if I put a '?' because he hadn't posted a lot or because I couldn't tell either way. Was too lazy to look back over the 25 pages again.
Except, it was never certain that I had to out myself, and I never had to do that. I never had to reveal myself. I "chose" to do so, because I do not want my partner to die. I have no ability to elaborate on Casilu's abilities. It is in my opinion that only one with cruel intent would proclaim inability as misdirection. Or, to quote BaLi, may he rest in peace, when Zynna tried to bring him to death.
QUOTE (Zynna @ May 11 2009, 11:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bali, your scuminess just went from not at all to through the roof for me.
Vote: Bali
Vote: Bali
QUOTE (B_a_L_i @ May 11 2009, 11:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In another game? Metagaming much? Whats next, you quote the boy who cried wolf? Wasnt really playing the other game, TRAP SPRUNG is something people who play mafia alot throw out there in the early game to get a lynch or two. Doesnt really mean anything. Dream Castle was classic! I think if you look back at my history on these boards you'll see that my posting style is pretty consistant when I'm playing town seriously, which I am now.
Sure, I like to mix it up every once in awhile, but that doesnt mean I'm completely untrustworthy. You know what, I'm not asking you to trust me. I'm asking you to look at the situation objectively and measure risk vs reward. Maybe look at things logically. Oh wait, I'm talking to Daganev.
Vague, predatory, and oppurtunistic! All in one post!
Sure, I like to mix it up every once in awhile, but that doesnt mean I'm completely untrustworthy. You know what, I'm not asking you to trust me. I'm asking you to look at the situation objectively and measure risk vs reward. Maybe look at things logically. Oh wait, I'm talking to Daganev.
Vague, predatory, and oppurtunistic! All in one post!
Ladies and gentlemen. To me, the proof is clear as day. Zynna is scum. She is too intelligent to make these mistakes.
How was that? Do you think they'll let me make a cameo in Judging Amy now? Wait what's this. Are you still filming? Why you...
Fania2009-05-12 23:19:38
QUOTE (Shaddus Mes'ard @ May 12 2009, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pretty much. If Diamondais can pronounce anyone she wanted to as a heretic, my skill is apparently useless.
Or you could say there is a list of pre-determined things that are considered heretic. Diamondais could add to those because she's the pope and can do whatever the he...aven she wants. Well...not from beyond the grave, though.
Daganev2009-05-13 00:06:01
QUOTE (Kiradawea @ May 6 2009, 01:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Welcome, this is star reporter Kiradawea, here to give you the news directly from the theater of the absurd.
We have gotten of to a good start. Lots of random votes, but it does seem like Casilu has done something mostly peculiar. What has she done, what has she done... only time shall tell us that.
Myrkr seems to have been watching too much Criminal Minds. A representative from the MechaNazis report that they do not approve of the lack of Hitler loyal quotes.
The drama-llama, representing the llama's from Sim City have this to say about the current situation. "Moooooo".
Little else is going on at the moment, but I shall return shortly with more information about the ongoings of this absurd location. This is Kiradawea signing off and saying "Thank you Sunny. This is great fun."
We have gotten of to a good start. Lots of random votes, but it does seem like Casilu has done something mostly peculiar. What has she done, what has she done... only time shall tell us that.
Myrkr seems to have been watching too much Criminal Minds. A representative from the MechaNazis report that they do not approve of the lack of Hitler loyal quotes.
The drama-llama, representing the llama's from Sim City have this to say about the current situation. "Moooooo".
Little else is going on at the moment, but I shall return shortly with more information about the ongoings of this absurd location. This is Kiradawea signing off and saying "Thank you Sunny. This is great fun."
This is the first instance of the word reporter in the game.
Kiradawea, you say it's a lie that Zynna said that you claimed to be a reporter, but if that isn't a claim, I don't know what is...
Daganev2009-05-13 00:08:24
QUOTE (Solanis @ May 10 2009, 12:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay. Drum roooooooll. Kiradawea is my mason. She's a liar, she's really not a reporter at all! She's just having fun, or so she tells me. If it helps, in my role PM Shamarah assures me that she is pro-town.
@Rika: I'm telling the truth, I asked her whether she was faking her reporter thing, that's all I asked. I didn't ask if she had any powers, I just assumed.
Do I need to claim name(and her name)?
@Rika: I'm telling the truth, I asked her whether she was faking her reporter thing, that's all I asked. I didn't ask if she had any powers, I just assumed.
Do I need to claim name(and her name)?
Then we have this post.
Daganev2009-05-13 00:09:18
So basically, Zynna did not lie at all.
Silfferas is still looking most scummy to me atm.
Silfferas is still looking most scummy to me atm.
Kiradawea2009-05-13 00:36:01
There seems to be a misconception between playing a role and making a claim. Do consider that Daganev. I have never claimed to be a reporter. I just act like one. You are the ones claiming that I must act like one.
Daganev2009-05-13 00:45:29
QUOTE (Kiradawea @ May 12 2009, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There seems to be a misconception between playing a role and making a claim. Do consider that Daganev. I have never claimed to be a reporter. I just act like one. You are the ones claiming that I must act like one.
Let me quote your own words again...
Welcome, this is star reporter Kiradawea, here to give you the news directly from the theater of the absurd.
Shamarah2009-05-13 01:43:09
Vote Count
"Why should a dog, a horse, a rat, have life,
And thou no breath at all? Thou'lt come no more,
Never, never, never, never, never!" --William Shakespeare, King Lear
Zynna - 2 (Kiradawea, Solanis)
Shaddus - 2 (Zynna, Fania)
Silferras - 2 (Daganev, Llandros)
Aerotan - 1 (Shiri)
10 to lynch.
"Why should a dog, a horse, a rat, have life,
And thou no breath at all? Thou'lt come no more,
Never, never, never, never, never!" --William Shakespeare, King Lear
Zynna - 2 (Kiradawea, Solanis)
Shaddus - 2 (Zynna, Fania)
Silferras - 2 (Daganev, Llandros)
Aerotan - 1 (Shiri)
10 to lynch.
Shiri2009-05-13 01:50:38
I still don't see where Aerotan has been helpful, but Unvote Vote: Silferras.
Daganev2009-05-13 01:52:52
If you are trying to tell us now, that you are infact, NOT star reporter Kiradawea, than that means you were either lieing now, or lieing then.
Shiri2009-05-13 01:57:10
I think Kiradawea is saying she was lying then: "reporter" isn't in her role but she was doing it anyway, making her a "reporter" de facto.
I have absolutely no idea what conclusions she's trying to draw from that about Zynna though as that whole thing read as gibberish to me.
Why did we let Shaddus go once Shamhat clarified again? If Diamondais could kill anyone his ability makes no obvious sense. I mean, he probably -has- it, but...eh.
I have absolutely no idea what conclusions she's trying to draw from that about Zynna though as that whole thing read as gibberish to me.
Why did we let Shaddus go once Shamhat clarified again? If Diamondais could kill anyone his ability makes no obvious sense. I mean, he probably -has- it, but...eh.
Daganev2009-05-13 01:59:00
QUOTE (Shiri @ May 12 2009, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I still don't see where Aerotan has been helpful, but Unvote Vote: Silferras.
I've just found his comments to be more helpfull than not helpfull. His "ante up" line, as well as reminding us about mafia/town mason pairs in past games (as apposed to triplets) etc. There also isn't anyone he hasn't been willing to consider to be mafia, though that isn't saying much since we havn't found any scum yet
Daganev2009-05-13 02:01:47
QUOTE (Shiri @ May 12 2009, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think Kiradawea is saying she was lying then: "reporter" isn't in her role but she was doing it anyway, making her a "reporter" de facto.
I have absolutely no idea what conclusions she's trying to draw from that about Zynna though as that whole thing read as gibberish to me.
Why did we let Shaddus go once Shamhat clarified again? If Diamondais could kill anyone his ability makes no obvious sense. I mean, he probably -has- it, but...eh.
I have absolutely no idea what conclusions she's trying to draw from that about Zynna though as that whole thing read as gibberish to me.
Why did we let Shaddus go once Shamhat clarified again? If Diamondais could kill anyone his ability makes no obvious sense. I mean, he probably -has- it, but...eh.
Shaddus just doesn't sound like he is lieing to me.
I was hoping to use Shaddus's state of having a skill that is useless as some sort of proof that we have no VT, but Zynna's claim as Electron is just crazy enough that it might be true. (and I can't think of any useless power she might have, unless there is a proton somewhere?) So, instead of lynching another likely townie, I'm hoping we can look at some of the other people who are way below the radar.
Daganev2009-05-13 02:03:54
QUOTE (Shiri @ May 12 2009, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think Kiradawea is saying she was lying then: "reporter" isn't in her role but she was doing it anyway, making her a "reporter" de facto.
I have absolutely no idea what conclusions she's trying to draw from that about Zynna though as that whole thing read as gibberish to me.
I have absolutely no idea what conclusions she's trying to draw from that about Zynna though as that whole thing read as gibberish to me.
Kiradawea, wants us to look at Zynna saying that "Kiradawea -- claims to be a reporter, but lied and was outed by her partner" as some proof that Zynna is making up evidence, because Kira never said that. However, Kira's very first post, strongly implied that she was claiming to be some kind of reporter.
Shiri2009-05-13 02:04:34
Alright. I can agree with that conclusion.
Shiri2009-05-13 02:06:52
That was to the post above the Kira thing. Ok. Well, I still don't really get it, but Kira and Solanis are not on my scumdar yet.
Daganev2009-05-13 02:13:33
QUOTE (Shiri @ May 12 2009, 07:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That was to the post above the Kira thing. Ok. Well, I still don't really get it, but Kira and Solanis are not on my scumdar yet.
Agreed. However, Kira's argument for why Zynna is scum is really flaky. That's all I'm saying.
kiriwe2009-05-13 04:01:14
I think Kira was pointing more at the part where Zynna says she is undermining people, which I don't see.
As per Shaddus? Nobody suspects the Spanish Inquisition!
And I am looking at Fania right now. She has been awfully quiet, constantly saying "I'm busy, I'll post substance later" and when she finally does, she votes for me, after I daykilled Bali.
Now, this is not an OMGUS. I am looking at it from an outside perspective. She has been unusually quiet for herself, and when she finally speaks up, she points her finger at somebody with a daykill. Now, in my humble opinion, it looks like she is threatened by my power, and is trying to equate my role with alignment.
I hinted at it before, but I may as well come out with it now, since I did practically out myself already.
I am, indeed, Lord Voldemort. I have a single use of the Avada Kedavra spell. I could have used it at night, but I didn't want to accidentally take out a townie with only my own suspicions. I figured prolonging a day would be a better use of it.
As per Shaddus? Nobody suspects the Spanish Inquisition!
And I am looking at Fania right now. She has been awfully quiet, constantly saying "I'm busy, I'll post substance later" and when she finally does, she votes for me, after I daykilled Bali.
Now, this is not an OMGUS. I am looking at it from an outside perspective. She has been unusually quiet for herself, and when she finally speaks up, she points her finger at somebody with a daykill. Now, in my humble opinion, it looks like she is threatened by my power, and is trying to equate my role with alignment.
I hinted at it before, but I may as well come out with it now, since I did practically out myself already.
I am, indeed, Lord Voldemort. I have a single use of the Avada Kedavra spell. I could have used it at night, but I didn't want to accidentally take out a townie with only my own suspicions. I figured prolonging a day would be a better use of it.
Unknown2009-05-13 04:13:28
My attempt at finding concrete evidence against Zynna:
Zynna is super opportunistic, moving her votes very very often. She claims vanilla with very little pressure on her.
Her reasons for voting Bali, the stuff about investigator revealing early is just weird. Bali's voting/unvoting was plain obvious. Seems like Zynna just wants to have lots of reasons to justify her vote in the bandwagon, even they're dodgy reasons.
In other words, let's just follow Shiri's random lurker vote in hope that a bandwagon will form and we can lynch more townies. Yay!
Seeing the Aerotan bandwagon fail, she tries to start one on a different lurker.
Only when prodded does she give a reason for her vote. Not that the reason is very sound. She doesn't understand Shaddus' role, therefore lynch?
QUOTE (Zynna @ May 12 2009, 07:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But not as opportunistic as yours...I don't get a shiny power for voting for you.
But if you want specific reasons, you helped lead a lynch against someone because you would gain a power, a power you refuse to share with us now, you lied about your role which could have resulted in the investigator revealing themselves too early, Myrkr wasn't scum, and you just voted/unvoted for us all trying to do who knows what to us.
Sham said that information was still going out to people, so hopefully we will hear from the others soon that will help shed more light on what happened yesterday and give us more to go on.
Dag, you were right with your first version of the statement where you said something like 'until we learn who the scum are.' I'm not scum. I have no powers, and I have no insight into the llamas, weather, etc.
But if you want specific reasons, you helped lead a lynch against someone because you would gain a power, a power you refuse to share with us now, you lied about your role which could have resulted in the investigator revealing themselves too early, Myrkr wasn't scum, and you just voted/unvoted for us all trying to do who knows what to us.
Sham said that information was still going out to people, so hopefully we will hear from the others soon that will help shed more light on what happened yesterday and give us more to go on.
Dag, you were right with your first version of the statement where you said something like 'until we learn who the scum are.' I'm not scum. I have no powers, and I have no insight into the llamas, weather, etc.
Zynna is super opportunistic, moving her votes very very often. She claims vanilla with very little pressure on her.
Her reasons for voting Bali, the stuff about investigator revealing early is just weird. Bali's voting/unvoting was plain obvious. Seems like Zynna just wants to have lots of reasons to justify her vote in the bandwagon, even they're dodgy reasons.
QUOTE (Zynna @ May 12 2009, 10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think Shiri's idea of going after a lurker is a good one; hopefully it will get them talking, and we can get more input into making our decision.
Vote: Aertotan I have no preference in lurkers really, but since Shiri already put a vote on him, it makes sense to pressure vote the same person or they won't have enough votes to want to talk.
Vote: Aertotan I have no preference in lurkers really, but since Shiri already put a vote on him, it makes sense to pressure vote the same person or they won't have enough votes to want to talk.
In other words, let's just follow Shiri's random lurker vote in hope that a bandwagon will form and we can lynch more townies. Yay!
QUOTE (Zynna @ May 13 2009, 03:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmm, I'm switching my vote to Serella because she has the fewest posts.
Unvote. Vote: Serella
Unvote. Vote: Serella
Seeing the Aerotan bandwagon fail, she tries to start one on a different lurker.
QUOTE (Zynna @ May 13 2009, 05:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Unvote. Vote: Shaddus
QUOTE (Zynna @ May 13 2009, 06:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes, if Diam. could kill anyone, then Shaddus' role of being able to detect heretics doesn't make much sense. A heretic would just be anyone that Diam. declared it to be.
What do you think?
What do you think?
Only when prodded does she give a reason for her vote. Not that the reason is very sound. She doesn't understand Shaddus' role, therefore lynch?
Zynna2009-05-13 04:18:44
Out of curiousity, Solanis, do you have thoughts on anyone else? It's obvious you find me scummy, but what about the rest?