Well, apparently my unvotes don't count.

Anyway, I did vote for Silferras, I did not vote for Furien. This was an accident of timing more than anything, really. I keep getting really fracking confused.

Anyway, Imma take a step or two back, and think about things for a bit before my next post. Try to come up with what I can.

Just don't vote for someone "because everyone else is".


I'm Jean Valjean from Les Mis also.

I don't really like how Aerotan hops vote to vote with usually little provocation, usually on the heels of someone else expressing their suspicions and voting. Do take those steps back and tell us what you find, but until then I'm going to vote: Aerotan for being generally wishy-washy.

Other thoughts: Furien does look a little fishy as well, but less so than Aerotan in voting habits (at least to me, from what I remember) - it's conceivable that Llandros's death might unlock something for Furien given his name and apparent vanilla status. Otherwise, though, given the claims that we already have and the noticeable lack of anything related to technology, Llandros saying that his death benefits tech-related roles is starting to look like bs to me.

Well. The technology people could be what the scum are. And since we haven't lynched any scum... we really have no idea.

BS. Catherine of Aragon was wife to Arthur, Prince of Wales and more commonly known, Henry VIII. Ferdinand II of Aragon was Catherine's father.

Unvote. Vote: Shaddus

What, lynch all liars? He made it clear he wasn't sure.

Why would he lie anyway? Seems like a useless point. It doesn't mean he's scum.

Rika, your voting is starting to annoy me.

Well, if people would stop making stupid mistakes (because this is a retarded mistake, if it is one) like Arix and now Shaddus, I wouldn't have any grounds to vote for any of these people.

Lying about your role generally means you have something to hide. Lying badly (ie with a mistake) generally means you have something to hide and failed at doing so because the necessary research wasn't done.

Rika, you keep voting for the strangest reasons. (And you are the only person who hasn't roleclaimed yet... )

Do we really not have any actual investigators?

Again, shaddus, can you give us a full report of what you found out each night.

Um.. how is picking out the lies/wrong information a strange reason?

Rika picked up on the r eason I wanted Shaddus to clarify.

Alright, so far all I can see today is the two apparent mistakes in role claims, the fact that all of us seem to be at one another's throats, and the random observation that Kira and Solanis have been a lot more active today than the middle two, from what I've seen.

I still think Kiriwe leading the mega-lynch for shortest day EVAR is kinda off, but she's explained herself in that regard...

Also, you can ask anyone that really knows me, I'm generally a wishy-washy sort of person.

I'm so confused right now, if I thought it would change the status quo, I'd vote No Lynch, but without a confirmed tracker or investigator, I think that would just end up hurting us more.

One thing that's bugging me that Daganev brought up - do we not have an investigator, or are they just so unlucky that they haven't been able to pick out a single scum for all of FOUR nights? Not to mention how many townies have already been offed in the meantime. I'm not advocating our cop to reveal themselves if they really have no information (please don't), but man..

I think the three of us were the only ones to pick up on it. I was hoping he would attempt to clarify, screw up , and we'd be sure about this next lynch. Well there goes that idea, thanks Rika.

VOTE SILFERRAS

Now this isn't an OMGUS vote per se, but all the so very insightful people who keep harping on my claim seem to have ignored something that I just noticed. In reviewing the things at the start of each day, in an effort to try and make some kind of sense out of all this mess, the day after our 'pope' was killed one of the new mecha nazis was described as revenant. Now granted the description of one of them on the day after as being spikey, isn't real clear why that is but still I think there is something to the first one.

I don't like how she was almost lynched for lurking and now she is running around making all these questionable observations.

It seems fairly clear by now that not a single person dead or alive can verrify people's identities. So as far as any of you know i might be a random lusternia skill, or a state of mind, a charachter from a musical, a reference to popular culture, an outdated profession, a literary figure, one step down from god, the freaking president or an atomic particle. I think we need to focus more on scummy behavior than on role claims that are all over the place and totally unreliable.

I was lurking to try and attract nightkills at the start, because as you can see the scum have been going for the quieter, unclaimed people. Since I've already claimed, I don't see a point in going back to lurking - which you seem to think I should - and my observations are just as 'questionable' as say, Rika's. It's a step up from blindly piggybacking on other people's observations and votes, in any case.

However, I agree that we can't rely on guessing the mod regarding role claims, and that we should vote and lynch based on scummy behaviour. Which is why my vote stays where it is.

Well as frustrations rise, that does sound like a perfectly reasonable strategy and you make a good point. I just hate floundering like this. No one seems especially scummy to me though. I'll re-read things when i have time and see if i can't pick up on anything else.

UNVOTE

Still waiting on Shaddus to tell us what he discovered each of the 4 nights.
Still waiting on Rika to tell us who she is.

We know we have two killers at the least.

Out of all the roleclaims so far, I find Furien's most suspicious.

To go back to my earlier list...

Roleclaims are not adding up:...

VT:
1. Furien - Rage against the Machine
13. Aerotan - Nirvana (the place)
11. Shiri (Elphaba, townie), killed in Reiha's trap day 3
2. Zynna (Electron, townie), lynched day 4

Protector:
19. Fania - frodo
5. Myrkr (Barack Obama, doctor), lynched day 2

Investigator:
9. B_a_L_i (Raskolnikov, tracker), slain by a Killing Curse cast by Kiriwe day 3
6. Shaddus Mes'ard - Ferandand detect heretic (legit?)

RoleBlocker:
8. Serella - Shamarah's Cat

Vig:
10. Diamondais (Pope Benedict XVI, vigilante), massacred and torn apart at the speed of sound night 2
12. Reiha (Beaver Trapper, one-shot dayvig), lynched day 3

Helper:
18. Llandros - Cyborg
21. Arix - transandentalism

NightKill Immune:
18. Llandros - Cyborg
14. Silferras - illusionary-Self

One-Shot multi powers:
7. Kiriwe y'Kaliath - Voldemorte
3. Casilu (Pretty Fly (For A White Guy), pro-town), crushed under a pile of grandfather clocks night 3

Masons:
15. Solanis - mason - les misrables
17. Kiradawea - mason - les misrables

Random Ability:
4. Daganev - force no kill at night - luke skywalker
20. Esano (France, pro-town), turned yellow night 4 - reparations from Germany (wth?)

UNKNOWN:
16. Rika - ?

Too Many VT, not enough investigators... Something isn't right.

Ok, so this listing seems a bit better organized than my last one.
Rika, we really need to know what your role is, so we can better understand the setup.

Then, if you look at the list (I don't want to make a new one for this, since it is less relevant) I find a few roles that don't fit the other roles.

1. Shamarah's Cat (uh what? - sounds believable though, but uniquness might == scum)
2. Illusionary Self (only lusternia/computer game related item)
3 . Cyborg (I think, this is odd, but it sort of goes with beaver trapper, or electron, but everyone else is a proper noun of some sort)

so my list of suspicious folks is as follows:
Furien (for the odd sounding roleclaim, the wording was just off)
Silfferas (for the odd role, might be honest)
Serrela (for the odd role, plus, when I had my power I figured whomever the roleblocker was would be scum, because there would be no reason to roleblock night one unless you were scum.. also Serrela appears to be the only roleblocker, and that seems wierd to me.)
Kiriwe (despite other people saying they had evil chars, Kiriwe so far is the only evil char we have seen so far. )

4 targets is not good. We need a way to confirm the innocence of some people. (Which we apparently have no way of doing because we don't have a proper investigator)

How do we know that there are two killers? So far there have only been one person killed each night, and while Dia were supposedly killed by two things... well seeing that the kill-flavour is apparently random that doesn't give us much to go with.

The chosen victims also don't make much sense to me. I guess Dia seemed like a good choice due to her hinting at her heretic ability, but why Esano and Casilu? Casilu's power was shown to be almost perfectly worthless and she could easily have been mistaken for a scum. And Esano was just silent. Why not choose someone more active? I can understand not choosing me or Solanis since it'll prove that the other person is town, but why did no one go for Kiriwe, Daganev or Silferras earlier? Why go for Esano of all possible choices? Silferras, your ability. Do you know when someone targets you and you redirect the kill?

From what I can tell from the role text, I don't redirect the kill (sorry if I gave that impression somehow), I have a percentage chance of absorbing the hit and not dying when someone's trying to nightkill me. This chance decreases with each successful erm, absorption.