Also, Aerotan didn't vote for me he only FOS'd me so he only half hates me

I'll Unvote, Vote: Llandros I do hope he is an infidel mafia.

UNVOTE

I'm going to FOS Diamondais for voting for me without giving a reason. It's the first thing so far this game that really caught my attention. Quitely joining a bandwagon in the middle of it's forming when it's not quite so established is prettys suspiscious.

Yanno, it just occurred to me, but forcing somebody into a claim, in this game, isn't going to do much. Roles can be anything or anybody. Traditional bad guys could be town, and good guys could be mafia! We have no idea.

That has no bearing at all on what anybody has said so far, just a random thought as I peruse the thread.

Back and read through the thread. I believe Serella to be town. Myrkr claiming without any pressure whatsoever is more a sign of her personality than anything, imo.

fistly... Why do you say infidel mafia?

Secondly.. why are people joining these bandwagons so damn fast? *peer*

She was very reluctant to give information that we could have used as town. Remember the whole, "Oh I only have 7 votes? I'm not defending myself until I have 8!" move?

In a normal game of mafia, all you have for a roleclaim is the "power" That is all you need to figure out if someone is lieing or not. (i.e., does the role they claim to have, match with the behavior they have been displaying, and/or match game balance)

I'm not going to join the Llandros bandwagon. Yet. His OMGUSing diamondais is a bit weird though.

I do remember that now that you mention it. It's not entirely unreasonable fi it looks like there's a chance you can get a bandwagon on someone else and hold onto your infos.

@Kiriwe: forcing people to claim certainly does help. Firstly, even though the roles themselves are random, the game might be balanced and there are still some "rules" that are unlikely to be violated (i.e no two identical doctors on the town side etc.)

Also, it sounds like Diamondais might have screwed up a bit with that "infidel mafia"...if "infidel" is a valid term in the game, it's not something I was aware of, and I wonder who would have that kind of information.

lol

firstly, I didn't mean we shouldn't ask people to claim. I'm just saying that role names are not going to be any help, I don't think.

also, I don't think Diamondais messed up, I think she was just using a different word to describe her disdain for scum.

Oh, that makes sense. Maybe she's a ...a priest or something.

She will saaaaaavvveee your soul. Or maybe she's Al-Qaeda or Osama bin Laden. Priests don't generally use the term infidel... not in modern days.

OK.

Demanding a daykill is really odd, especially when it seems to have stemmed from a misunderstanding of "You win with the town". Llandros, you posted that you "don't know what to make of this mess", but go ahead and ask for a daykill (and then vote) anyway? The "get on with our search" is also a bit off.

And, is Serella an experienced Mafia player? I seem to remember her being in some other games, although they might not have had standard town factions. If she is/has been, though, there's little excuse for misunderstanding the faction line.

The "hope must be in every post" restriction makes a lot more sense than "you must have a random quote on some of your posts", and also seems to be adhered to more often. I'd just avoid assuming she's Obama purely on that; there are a lot of other people and things centred around hope. I don't quite know why she was going the random-quote way, even temporarily, though. Much more obvious and attention-grabbing than subtly putting hope in every post.

As has been said, we'll really need a power claim to judge accurately if they're town or not. Problem with this? Unpredictable powers, such as that random daykill in the last game, or my flipcoin in the FF game. All they can really do is prove you are who you say you are, and that doesn't mean much.
(note: I'm not saying that some powers we can't go "probably scum" or "probably town", but I am reminding people that there are roles you can't judge by powers)

I also dislike the fast bandwagoning with little reasoning on part of the people doing so.

Oh, and remember I live in Australia. If you plan to go after lurkers, keep in mind I might not be lurking but am actually at school/out/whatever.

When I say lurkers, fyi, I mean "failing to contribute meaningfully to the conversation so as to avoid attention." Not hiding in the thread or whatever.

(of course, Myrkr's attention-grabbing for no obvious reason is worrying in its own way, as you said...there's still the possibility she was hoping someone would assume that was her role and get suspicion off her without her actually having to say anything useful about it.)

Or that's just how Myrkr is.

I can see where Serella was coming from after rereading it a bit - she was addressing the speculation that there were multiple factions because of the trippy daystart messages (by Zynna, and Shiri later pointed out that six factions were unlikely). I think she's most likely town given her posts, just new to the game.

As for Llandros, I do find it suspicious that he was so quick to jump on her for that and call for a dayvig at the same time, despite what he said about changing his mind later.



If there isn't any way to move forward against the 'oops silly me' defense, why would you want to off her so quickly when it could be an honest mistake? I find it very strange that a townie's first thought would be to off another potential townie without allowing them to defend themselves another way.

You've also been very careful to disclaim that you're rolefishing in any way, even before Serella came in:



Similarly, your change of heart can just as easily be you trying to cover up your misguided attempt to fish for a dayvig. Or it can be as innocent as you say it is. Either way, I'm getting scummy vibes from your posts in general (also see: OMGUS FOS on diamondais, citing that it's the 'first thing so far that really caught my attention'), so I'll go with a Vote: Llandros.

Probably this.

That was my first thought too (I think I posted as much), I just really don't want to let it go without enough scrutiny.

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Now, back to the matters at hand. It seems that Casilu and Myrkr are no longer under the careful gaze of their peers. Well, except for resident hampster Shiri who does not feel that the regular madness of Myrkr is... well, regular enough. Regardless, it is now Llandros. To summarize the careful analysis of Silferras. Llandros seems to have gone fishing with the role-pole, hoping to bait a day-time vigilante to take hook, line and sinker. His aggressiveness towards Serella, who this reporter can confirm played in Myrkr's mafia game, is also a cause for suspicion. What to believe, viewers? Well I do believe that Llandros is suspicious. Why? Because the only one who would disclaim a role-fish attempt is someone worried being caught for rolefishing. Which leaves me with no choice but to Point my mic towards Llandros and demand. "What is your comment on these accusations?"