I would like to propose two possible solutions (only one is needed) to fix the current imbalance wherein Communes have access to their Druid/Wiccan discretionary powers in the same location but Cities are split between where they have access to their Mage/Guardian discretionary powers.

I firmly believe this is an unfair advantage, and it drastically plays into why killing the Avatars is much harder than killing the Demon Lords or Supernals.





EDIT:

Updated solution #1.

So communes will get ripple and respawning daughters/ladies in the 'main' part of ethereal right. And we can get essence from faethorn, eh eh.

And I thought everyone hated stacking, why are you adding more. You can't say avatar aura/shrines/whatever shouldn't stack while ripple/flux should. They all affect groups in an annoying fashion.

I agree with/endorse this idea.

No. You will keep Surge. It's the Wiccan discretionary power. As for the respawning Daughters/Ladies, I am fine if they respawn so long as their numbers/strength are reflective of angels/demons who respawn. If you do not want them to respawn, you can keep them as they are.

And you do get essence from Ethereal Serenwilde/Glomdoring.

I provided two solutions for a reason. I'd prefer they not stack (hence solution #1), but if the administration disagrees, I provided an alternative.

Yeah my bad about the edit.

I actually think surge isn't all that great, though I'd like to test it out one day. I'll just leave it at that for now until we figure it out. Yeah I know about hawks/stags/etc in ethereal glom/wilde, I was talking about putting mobs in Faethorn that drop essence there as well!

I hope you aren't being mildly facetious about Surge. I've raided Ethereal Glomdoring with you and a group totaling 20 or so only to get massively destroyed by a group of 8-10 daughters in Surge. Now throw in 8-10 daughters + Glumki + Gwyllgi in Surge. It's a damn good power.

It would be better respected I feel if it wasn't so inferior to Liveforest (but then again, the same can be said for Ripple vs. Flux. Flux is way better).

Yeah it's probably because liveforest is superior to it. Maybe surge -is- that nice, but I can't say getting destroyed by 8-10 strong mobs is anything particularly new, raiding or not. The stacking of effects really does help though, I agree.

This idea seems extremely dumb.

1. Liveforest will no longer protect Avatars.
2. Ripple AND Flux will now protect Demon Lords/Supernals AND Elemental Lords
3. In exchange we're stacking inspiration/surge (?????)

You fail at reading. Try again.

Either solution #1 or solution #2. As it turns out, a lot of things are extremely dumb when you fail to read what is written and instead confabulate.

Oh, you're right. In that case, I'd support the liveforest restriction. Stacking flux/ripple vs. liveforest just seems to be imbalanced towards the former (though, that may just be because I've been fighting in the latter for so long and am used to it).

It wouldn't be stacking flux/ripple against liveforest (again, you misread!). It would be stacking flux/ripple vs. liveforest/surge.

I didn't misread this time! I'm just considering it in terms of group hindering, since surge only empowers daughters. Granted, Daughters/Ladies are absolutely beastly as is, so it's probably fair.

They web whore. They blackout whore. They whore off equilibrium (Ladies do something else but Daughters do this, I forget!). I'd call that hindering...

I like solution #1.

They're easy to take down in groups, though. Aside from our recently-discovered quests, you can't take down discretionaries.

8-10 Daughters can mow down a group of 20. It's happened before to Celest/Serenwilde. I lead a swarm of them into our group thinking we'd mow them down... I think everyone died except Shuyin (I died instantly to 4 of them hitting me as each hit for ~1500 damage). Nexus Surge makes them ridiculously powerful.

I'm fine with Nexus Surge being useful. I just don't like how absurd it is to have to deal with Surge AND Liveforest. I vote for less absurdity (see solution #1).

EDIT:

Group of 20 was in Liveforest too.

Anyone have any comments as to why solution #1 or solution #2 wouldn't help balance the equation?

Though it would make defending harder, I support the first option. It helps to equal everything out without adding more annoyances to either side.

When you were absolutely demolished by these Daughters, what was the moonphase was it?