I have a feeling you'd be singing a different tune if you were on the receiving end. Should people put weakenings on Lusternia as a higher priority than RL obligations, parties, etc? Obviously not. But the system punishes people for not doing that at the moment, and if too many people choose RL over Lusternia, well, bye-bye constructs for 30 days, and bye-bye massive amounts of power!

I've been on the receiving end, and I coped with it. I gave people rides to Celestia and Water and such, people learn to deal with it. And no, I don't expect everyone from one organization to stop their real lives to defend a construct, but there are easily 50 people in each org that can focus on a construct.

I think you will see that is the ground the whole thread was based on. Glomdoring has -always- said it was not fair, as we have had to live it for a long time. No one really cared. Now the cat is out of the bag, Celest gets spanked once, and the damn sky is falling down with tears.

^ SO TRUE

Haha, Shamarah, the hilarious thing about your example is that it may not even destroy all 4 constructs in one weakening depending on how you do it and how it is normally done.

That's what she said!

... when I asked her how long until we could have sex. Sob.

The problem with your story is:

1) It wasn't just 1 org attacking Celest it was 2 orgs and it is not hard to find 20 people across 2 orgs.

2) Celest did in fact have people around. Celest chose not to do more than scry, enter and exit, and sit at the PoS.

So no, 1 org should not be able to destroy 4 constructs.

2 orgs vs. nobody doing anything at all in the slightest to try and stop them should be able to.

Shamarah's example involved none of the Seren being online or otherwise able to help. This isn't an unlikely scenario - see Thoros' old miner raids. He could also have used Magnalest or whatever instead of just Celest. He has a point.

No he doesn't, because just Celest, or just Magnagora will not take down 4 constructs. It took multiple orgs doing it with nobody bothering to defend.

All it takes is one person to activate the things. The admins already signed off on abusing grace is not abuse. So there is no reason one person can't get to them. I have yet to see Serenwilde in a position where there is 0 people online.

I've seen Glom in that position a lot of times over the years.

By default the fact you are on 'to see this' defeats the fact that you do indeed see it

Not at all. I've logged on to be the only person in Glomdoring. 1 member on this plane, 0 on others.

That would in fact mean that you have yet to see 0 people on in Glomdoring

At any rate it is not like these things are random spur of the moment ordeals. You post about them coming up and find out who can be around. As I said it only takes 1 person to activate them and 1 org is not going to destroy everything. I doubt Glomdoring alone would have destroyed 2 constructs even in that time. Certainly they would have destroyed 1 and seriously hurt another.

1 - 1 == 0. There were 0 on before I logged in. That is as close to "seeing" it as is possible! It was 0. For some undetermined amount of time (no way to tell when the last person logged out).

You really are easy to drag this on with, even when it's obvious I am poking fun at your wording and nothing more.


Anyways, the point remains I have yet to see a situation where Serenwilde has nobody. Glomdoring maybe it was possible, but that is not likely these days. If the issue is protectors and security then start making people into protectors and security "Congratulations, you passed basic curing 101. You are now a protector. Learn how to operate a construct in case we ever need it"

This is not a problem without a solution.

Yeah, you can recruit Protectors no problem. Hell, you might even just designate a couple new ones as your 'Construct Crew' rather than combat people, while combat people can still learn too.

Yes, I know. I find it fun, too!

But no, the issue (in this case) wasn't lack of protectors and security, it was those people QQing I think. In future cases, it could be a lack (there are definitely times even now when Glom has very few, if any, people with basic combat readiness around).

All I can really say at this point is that if you disagree with me, you're stupid and shortsighted.

Disagreeing with Shamarah may lead to stupidity, hives and erectile dysfunction.

This thread isn't in Idiots!, there's no need to sling poo at one another.

Personally, I feel that 30 days is probably a bit long, but all four construct going down in a well organized raid, regardless of defender availability, is hardly unfair.

Does it suck? Absolutely. Will it deal a blow to a given org's morale? Probably. Is it world shattering? Hardly. Is it unfair? Not at all, as it could just as easily happen to any of the four orgs.

In a conflict based game, there will be ups and downs. There will be highs and lows. There will be wins and losses. That is simply the way it is. Someone will be put through the meat-grinder CONSTANTLY for an indefinite period of time, because they lack the power to fight back, and because the other groups have that power. The only thing that can be done is to grit your teeth and bear it, with the knowledge that, in time, the fan will start blowing the other way, and you'll have an opportunity to clean up.

It's like my grandmother used to say: happens, carry a shovel.