So you say you would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling admins?

That is not a rational as it does not exist. If no one is around, then you lose your constructs. If one person is around and can read a help file (HELP COLOSSUS), you will not lose hundreds of thousands of power.

Edit: On that note, as I stated in the beginning, there should be people with more access to operating constructs. The best way to do it would be by appointment of a specific city/commune priv that allows you to operate constructs and colossi.

In Talkan had saved the Guardian Altar, three other constructs would have fallen AND the Guardian Altar would have still been vastly weakened. Next round, it has no chance. Celest isn't going to conjure a population of players it doesn't have for round #2 when the people involved in round #1 will still probably be here.

And as you said earlier, people can't be around 24/7 for randomized major weakenings. Gathering a force large enough to raid a major weakening two consecutive times is less likely than an organization having no one at all.

On another note, you could stop blaming the Admin. Celest could petition their leaders to ally with Magnagora more. Celest could surrender. There are many real, viable in game options to take. Quitting and detaching yourself as you have done, is also one of them.

(I think I already said this. A long time ago. I still believe it though.)

Celest + Mag keeps claiming it has enough players to beat Serenglom off Ethereal (this was pre Nydekion shrubbing, but surely he can't make that much difference.)

More importantly, next time it can put up a demesne and shrine powers beforehand - this wouldn't have won them it but it would have bought a bit of extra time if the combatants persevered, particularly if Mag had shown up (which it didn't this time.) And it wouldn't have been greatly weakened because we barely destroyed all 4 by like 3-4 minutes with no resistance. Don't underestimate how much 1 guy can help.

(This reminds me of the "It doesn't even cost 1 power." "It costs 1 power." "Ooh, a measly 1 POWER!" discussion on DOK the other day. Heh.)

Again! Still in the 30 days is too long camp. But exaggerating is bad too!

I'm not quitting so much as I flat out do not care. I'm not Celest. I don't make large scale decisions for Celest. If the administration wants to burn Celest to the ground, it can do so. It's already started the fire. I simply refuse to try and fix their botched events, which after a whole host of them, annoy me.



If we're around, sure. In the case of constructs, most of us weren't here. We can't exactly do a whole hell of a lot when we aren't logged on.

Really, Narsrim.

Take the Kephera/Illithoid event, followed by Isune (which was Glom against Celenwilde, that outcome was obviously pre-determined as well though we kept soldiering on and trying). I've been in the exact same place as you are. For a very long period of time. It sucks. I ranted (and I still do, see this thread!), but "giving up" really isn't the answer. Sometimes you do have to rearrange priorities. Decide not to re-raise constructs, some other things that are required... and maybe a bit less of the dominate-stuff, since the "Lone Ranger" action from the underdog tends to bring disproportionate responses (from what I'm told, Celest lost its Constructs because of the kick-domination of Avatars, that's why Celest was targeted. At least, that's the reason everyone brings up, who knows).

Ehh, only real major reason I targetted Celest, was the timing of it's weakening. I planned a few days in advance. It was just a good time of the day (8 pmish central). Other than that, a minor reason was it coming up sooner than Mag's and being at war. The major reason won it all really.

There really isn't a conspiracy against Celest. Honest!

I do note that some people regularly think that the admin are 'out to get them' (or out to get their city/commune/guild/order)--and this happens in every organization.

To be fair, we have a very good case when you make Kepherans attack and kill Crow.

Not that it turned out to be a bad thing on our end. We're still getting good RP fodder out of it. And that's pretty much the only obvious one, I think.

Events just tend to go against whatever org is the underdog at the time (not always, of course!) It's part of the way they're structured.

That is not a very good case, they had to do that so you would participate

No, they had to do it to get us to participate in the way they wanted.

Our participation was in trying to get Celest to back off and not help the shady beings (which was even working!) It was participation.

And we have had this discussion at least four times so far. You even agreed last time on IM that we weren't doing nothing. *poke Shiri*

More like so that we would participate on the side they wanted. Glomdoring and soulless shards don't naturally mix.

The difference between the two of us is that I lack the attachment to Celest that you have for Glomdoring. I've never had it, and I don't see anything wrong with that because Lusternia is simply a game (I'm not implying there is something wrong with your attachment, but rather, I'm on a different end of the spectrum).

I have two very viable options: I can play alternative characters, which is fairly easy for me to do; my attachment to Narsrim is no greater than my attachment to Celest. Likewise, I can spend my money on games that are run less chaotically. For the time being, I've opted for a combination of the two: I'm spending less in Lusternia, but I'm also able to maintain two alts in other organizations, which I can play/discard at whim.

This being said, I still find a lot of pressure on me to fix problems in Celest because the vast majority of the city is completely and utterly helpless in the current situation(s). Once and for all, I'm making clear: Eventru is not my problem/fault. Celest is not my problem. I will do what I can, but I will not crash/burn with you because of some dumb series of events. I do feel bad for Celest as a whole, but I also think Celest as a whole is fairly damn lazy. It's really annoying that so many people will contact me over and over telling me how they really agree with my ideas, but don't want to come out and offend the administration or get blacklisted so they just use me as a mouthpiece.

And I'm getting tired of it. I'm about ready to say screw it and pull a Thoros on Celest. I can always kill time and come back once the vast majority of the crap has receded.

I apologize for hijacking this thread and turning this into a why Narsrim is acting as he is, but I really don't have any way to do this IG because the vast majority of this is 100% OOC.

PS: This is my thread, and I am a firm believer of the "threads evolve" theory. As long as it's a natural flow from the topic, I've no complaints.

Does it even matter if there is or isn't?

If players feel that their organization is being given the short end of the stick during an event (or, as seems to be the case, a prolonged period of time), some of them will get demoralized. It doesn't matter whether there is a conspiracy or not, the perception is that Org X will have to deal with being the underdog and handle all the negative things that happen as a result. It just happens to be Celest's turn on the Wheel of Lusternian (Mis)Fortuneâ„¢.

As for the constructs falling, I really don't care that they're gone. I got around without them before they were implemented, and I'm pretty sure I can make do without. It definitely will require a more active Academy to help new players adept to playing without them, but I'm sure that what remains of Celest's playerbase can pull adjust to pre-construct gameplay. We're fortunate enough to have Resurrect/Sacrifice to use in lieu of immolation, offsetting further power drain (but that's reliant on Sacraments Paladins and Celestines of sufficient skill being available). I am irritated that we lost a large chunk of power when the constructs fell, but I wasn't around to do anything about it - not that a noncombatant could have done much to stop a raid - and all that we can do now is contribute lots of power to help bring us back to where we were.

Admittedly, I will probably be spending more time in Imperian than Lusternia now, but I suppose I can get over the compulsion to type QQ a few minutes after I've logged on.

hand picked just for you, Narsy baby
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ

Rofl. <3

I'm very good at looking on the bright side of life - I've already made the adjustments necessary to ensure I still have a good time. I just hate that other people are whining at me OOC because I'm rejecting their misery-loves-company take on this.

Narsrim is right about a lot of this. We are getting grief'd to the point where everybody is quitting, but the bigger issue is that the next underdog organization is going to be burn'd just as badly or worse. Maybe it's time to address the issue of power imbalance in organizations just like you address class imbalances in PK. You can limit the maximum damage you can do to an organization, so everybody can enjoy their play time even if they're losing. I'm not saying it has to be pink flowers and dandelions, but there should be a reasonable cap on the griefage.

Supernals bound (hai'Gloh)/Normal supernal raids/Constructs Disabled/Constructs Destroyed...all in the span of about 2 weeks. Does this sound like fun? No. It wouldn't be fun either if it was Serenwilde, Glomdoring or Magnagora on the receiving end. It's just a little bit easier to judge the other organization for whining when they're the winners. The winners always get to rewrite history anyways.

Also, yelling at Estarra won't do anything. Just present the facts and the issues, and let it simmer Narsrim. Yelling only aggravates everybody including yourself.