Actually no. Delete delete. I'll just say this. I whored out group Astral constantly, from it's conception. I astral'd the entire double xp weekend and double xp week. Interesting that Jozan still beat me to demigod, but somehow astral is so much better. The difference is Astral can't be done non stop forever and completely afk (unless you are like...Thoros)

Influence is cheap, completely safe, no risk involved (astral had risk, period. No arguing.), requires one person as opposed to a gaggle of demigods, and can be done indefinitely as long as there are guards, and for some there are oodles and oodles of guards.

It should not exist.

Or switch the guards all to sensuous mindsets. Yes, yes.

PS Deleting guard influencing would also make esteem somewhat more scarce, and the prices can go up again. Also, deleting guard influencing would force influencers to actually get out of their orgs and look for spots outside, where it'll be easier to gank

I've done both too! Astral was much better. I gained millions (multiple!) in one trip and could do 2-3 a day without too many hours racked up. With guard influencing, not even close - and Serenwilde has more guard influencers, but it also has a lot of guards.


The fact this comparison keeps being leaned on tells me the other reasons are weak, and these certainly aren't sufficient.

This is the point many have been making. You can do this with no risk and just "afk" as you do other things. -everybody- can do this. Hell anyone who says they don't do this is full of it.

People bash now not because of better XP, they bash because they haven't had their turn at Guard rotation yet. It is not even that much slower. Who the hell cares if 8 people can bash up more xp on astral than 1 solo influencer. It is easier for 1 solo influencer to influence guards than it is for him to find 8 people to tank 16 spawned mobs for 6 hours a day.

So comparing it to Astral (which not anybody can do it requires an expenditure of lessons greater than it takes to guard influence and levels to survive. Case in point. Aiyana. guard influenced with the first two skills of empowering until she had made enough esteem to sell to get sycophant in dramatics, and is still not trans either and influences just fine) is stupid at best. Guard influencing (and I guard influence too) needs to go.

I have nearly transed Acendance on Guard influencing intermingled with kephera influencing. I just made 5 million essence in the last week and a half off guard influencing... so.. you do the math.

Oh yeah.. all it cost me... was a pony

5 million in a week and a half is pretty good, but I could get in the region of 4 million from two Astral trips (which you can do in the same day), so with the maths done it doesn't look nearly so bad. A better comparison would be how much you can get doing nerfed Astral bashing, or undervault, in a week and a half.

Are you guys both talking about the same Astral, or are you on a disjoint wavelength?

Again no. You are comparing astral to oranges. Astral requires FAR MORE to do. It does not require 1 lone individual with barely any skills who can watch tv while they bash.

Astral requires numerous demigods, people willing to go, waiting around for those people to go, having the cures to go, having the levels to survive if you go.

Influence guards... requires you to get there first.

I don't know what part of this is hard to grasp.

If I work every day 8 hours a day for 20 years I will make a steady income.

If I win the lottery I will be rich instantly.

Should I stop working and buy lottery tickets?

I've done both too. Great.

I can say with 100% confidence that from 1-100, guard influencing is faster and more efficient that astral whoring. If you want to argue what is better in a 2 hour time span, go for it, but that's not really important.

At 100 (or 101, whatever you are) is not really important either.

edit: It's faster for the reason Gregori stated.

edit2: "nerfed" astral is actually better xp than old astral.

Oh yeah, I know of one guard influencer who hit level 80+ before she was even off the logs of joining Serenwilde.

You are right though, this isn't ridiculous at all.

Edit:: And she came out of the PoF, so it isn't like she joined Serenwilde at level 50.

God who knows how fast they will advance when they find out illithoids are a lot more profitable then guards and just as easy to influence. And since you are avenger protected you are relative safe and if you are still paranoid about being attacked you can just use lust and run to the leader or a big group of them. And watch the people jumping you get raped. And you also do not have to pay a hole lot of attention to it and can read a book while doing it.

Good thing they all think guard influencing is the hawt!

Oh and on topic: who cares what mindset guards have, as long as you can influence them you are golden.

Wow. I don't know why this is even debated. Influencing something with the correct influence type (empower on brave) cuts the time by a lot. This gives the org with the most brave guards the mechanical advantage. Either change them to be all of one type, brave or otherwise, or just remove guard influencing completely.

Some people get it. I don't see what the hell you guys are arguing over, communes have the advantage with the influence type. I just want to see them all the same type.

They've actually transcended going from changing guard mindsets -> guard influencing should just go away. Tends to happen with threads, especially with ones based off of something kinda too good to be true.

I wish I could figure out how to guard influence. On that note I have transcended whiney forum bitching yay me!

Ahaha if they were brave you could seduce them. Also. Remove guard influencing.

Back in the day we used to seduce them and have them follow us around and enemy each other. It was great fun.

Yea, not sure why so many people seem to be missing the point. All he's asking for is equality: all guards be made the same mindset. Of course, removing guard influencing completely also provides that equality, so it works out.