What the hell are you youngin's talkin' about? Controller, Striker? When I saw Phoebus' first post about D&D I was totally prepared to be like "hey if you need help, you can pm me and I'll help!" but now I'm just like....clearly things have changed since I played. My knowledge is no longer useful.

Yeah, 4th edition is the Diabloization of DnD. All the cool kids play Pathfinder, now.

I made spicy lemon beef today.

Whole meal would have cost about $6 if I bought everything, but the tenderloin was a gift for fixing someone's network, so it actually cost me about $1.50 to feed three people...and if I liked onions, it would've cost me about $0.90, because onions are much cheaper than leeks.

When looking at equal quality, it's almost always cheaper to make it yourself...and in those few cases where it isn't, don't!

I like the new Dnd. It's much easier for me to make a working character. I used to suck at character creation, now I don't. Also, a bit easier to play. I like that. Yes, for most groups, 4th edition means all fighting. Managed to find a group not all about fighting. Also, pacifist healer is awesome. *hum* As long as you don't mind that it's, oh damn, everyone is hurt, who to I target? Ohhh wait. Beacon of Hope, action point, Healers Mercy, don't do anything next round. Because everyone is fine. *hum* That's what I like playing though, so.

It totally depends on the DM. From the perspective of someone hoping to play a decent campaign at some point, I adore 4e compared to all my 3.5e stuff. The classes just seem a lot more fleshed out compared to the older stuff. And no one is stopping you from using a mix and match set of rules if your DM wants.

I like 3.5/Pathfinder better because it just feels more open ended. A lot of the anti-munchkining in 4e was forcing spells to do one thing, and ONLY one thing.

Just the fact that you tied spell choice to it being open ended tells me that Wizards and such probably needed reigned in, or physical classes given more tools. *shrug* And still up to the DM how much leeway he wants to allow. I think a lot of system choice comes down to how your DM wants to play. Tycho said he feels fine pimping 4e because it doesn't mean your old books go away, and he's right. If you to incorporate stuff from previous editions, or use them and incorporate 4e stuff, you can do that. Regardless of how the "old school" and "new school" camps end up doing, I'm glad 4e came out, because it gives more options to everyone.

Cough cough.

Old World of Darkness, New World of Darkness, Legend of the Five Rings 3rd Edition, Legend of the Five Rings 4th Edition, Nobilis, In Nomine, Dark Heresy, Warhammer Fantasy Roleplaying Game, Unhallowed Metropolis, Castle Falkenstein, Serenity: The Roleplaying Game, Doctor Who: The Roleplaying Game.

Excessive emphasis on fighting or dungeon crawls in role-playing groups bothers me. I value creativity, storytelling, atmosphere, social interaction, and character development a lot more than statistics and die-rolling (not that those aren't fun, but I consider them relatively unimportant). I've been playing tabletop RPGs on and off since... 1994, I think? I have a massive collection of books.

However, it's extremely difficult to find a group of mature intellectuals interested in creating a serious, thoughtful, high-quality experience. Most people just play to "hang out," "be social," and "unwind." That's fine, but for me, role-playing is serious business. I wish to create and participate in an immersive and believable "other world" that takes a lot of hard work and effort to pull off properly. Most of the time, I've had to settle for less than my unrealistically high standards call for (in terms of gaming groups). I also tend to like science fiction a lot more than fantasy, which further complicates matters.

For the most part these days, my dozens of RPG books sit unused on various shelves, collecting dust and waiting for an era in my life when I'll find other RPG players as unreasonably picky as I am myself. Lack of fulfillment in the realm of tabletop RPGs is a large part of the reason I'm playing MUDs now.

Some of my favorite systems and settings are Changeling: The Dreaming, Call of Cthulhu 6th Edition/Delta Green, Shadowrun 3rd, GURPS 3rd and 4th (w/ various settings), Blue Planet, Planescape, and Alternity/Dark Matter. I kind of gave up on Dungeons and Dragons after 3rd Edition, because I just find the d20 System very limiting, packed full of quirks, and difficult to customize. The level/class system in particular really bothered me.


I love Nobilis!

Storing that huge coffee table book is a pain in the butt, though.

I can still remember Adnd, where Thac0 was important, AC was negative, and gnomes made damned good illusionists. None of this dragonborn tiefling omnisage lich warlock crap. When I played, we had to gain our experience walking uphill in the snow pregnant and barefoot with thorns on the ground while weevils ate our toenails as we walked.

I still have an AD&D starter set. I remember thinking, at the tender age of like 12, "Why in the would you make armor class go down as it got better? Wouldn't it be simpler to just say "You have to roll higher than his armor class" and call it a day?"

My introduction to RPGs actually began with an incredibly beat-up set of the very first Dungeon and Dragons books at summer camp. I was ten years old, and also the only girl playing with a bunch of boys.

I seem to recall that we played pretty badly, butchering most of the rules, cheating during character creation and improvising drawn playing cards for dice we didn't have, but it was a lot of fun and a good start.

I have this strange feeling that all my suggestions are being ignored

Well, except for Felicia who knew what Nobilis was

Damn all you people are making me feel young SOMEHOW. And here I only started with 3.5 a few months ago when another Lusternian let me join their game.

There are hardly any role-playing games or settings I haven't at least heard of, no matter how indie or obscure they may be. That's mostly thanks to the Internet and RPG.net.

Nobilis is very unique and quite different from anything else out there. The trick is to find a group of people who actually want to play it the way it's meant to be played. It's very cerebral.

Has not worked out for me yet, no one wants to give it a try, it seems.

THAC0 wasn't even in first edition AD&D. It only started showing up in some of the modules well after that and then appeared in rules in second edition. Kids these days...

Oh dear lord what have I wrought

So, uh...anyone wanna help me make my character?

I remember...when my parents talked about playing. They showed me their old dice. They were nubs, since they weren't this shiny, treated stuff we have now. Stuff just wore off. Also, it seemed like you had to write the numbers on the dice. According to mum, at least. Also. There was a thing...called a meepit. A floating cat head thing. I think. It was likely something their dm made up. It was a pet. *end rambling*

There were actually a bunch of amazingly retarded monsters in older versions of D&D, although it's not like some of them didn't survive or get added later on...