The family would still have to submit an application for the name!

This is brilliant, though I'm thinking of this possible case. Let's just suppose that d'Murani hasn't been established yet.

So we have a couple of families who want to found the d'Murani, both with just nicely 10 members. Is it possible for these two families to merge into one big family to become a better applicant? Right now we have the Bannerhouse system which only merges numbers but not names and doesn't necessarily form any blood relations.

I'm thinking of this also mainly because I think some small families have potential to become big and well populated if they did get a historical name instead. Sometimes, when you have two families going for the same thing, you wouldn't be able to decide which to join because you wouldn't know who's application would go through. So you'd have to wait an extra amount of time before getting the consideration process started. The reason this is a problem is because the more members you have, the better the application looks (as I see it) so its in the family's best interest to have more members, but potential members would probably not want to gamble on this since if the other family gets picked, they'd have to find an alternative means of getting in (via marriage / bloodbond) which involves a lot more resources as well.

I thought this had already been done!

Has any further consideration been given to sticking in comparatively minor historical roles for existing greathouses?

I thought that this was the main route, though it's possible for historical families to be founded without existing families in place (Nightshade). If this was implemented, would it mean that that route wouldn't be possible anymore?

It says "only" in the first page, so yes. Because then they go inactive too easily (Shervalian, Inalai).

Two things:

I would like to know what historical family names are available. I didn't know this was an option, except with the Magnagoran families, and for Nightshade, I just figured some player picked it and wasn't disallowed.

Also, I want to know what happened after the end of our histories, and before open beta. Maybe some existing families could be added in that way (like, out of the ruins of civilization, the Carthan family stepped out, and sold shiny things to people. Or whatever).

Well, of course, but it'd be a much shorter process!

Who? What? The Nightshade are fine. In fact, we are doing splendidly. (Though we could do with another mob! Amirite? Amirite? -plot-)


On a serious note though, I agree 100% with this change. As someone who started a historical fam from scratch, I can tell you, even though the name draws a bit of attention, it is still hard work to get from 2 people to 10, and a lot of times people don't want to start in newer families, even historical ones, because older more established ones are so much more practical and powerful.

I eagerly await the implementation of this formal policy. As for those who might (Let's be honest though, who in their right mind would) disagree with the chance to become a historical family, well, that's something they have to deal with, I think.

Existing families, like Dekoven, Carthan, La'Saet, etc were founded when their founders made them (Dekoven - Varrin and Ordos, Carthan - Richter and Murphy, etc). Several families have asked us to consider going back and adding them into the histories, and we've turned it down every time - I don't suspect that's going to change, especially if we go with Est's idea. The argument that's ever had much merit (in my eyes, anyways!) would be gone with this.

And there are a lot of historical families out there - simply stroll through the Taint Wars history, and you will see a whole slew of last names that are quite probably linked to older families. We've slowly been working in hints at the old Imperial Houses of the Holy Celestine Empire as well, both in and out of Celest.

Also, editing families is a monstrous affair from what I understand, so I very, very much doubt that you're going to see two families being combined into a single family. This change that we're discussing is probably a pretty easy one - editing the name of a family. You're talking about going in and editing an entire tree and how everyone involved is related - As I understand it, it's not as simple as one might think to play around in family code like that! It's not like we can just type ADMIN FAMILY ADD RELATION SHIRI SIBLING GREGORI and the trees magically fall in line.

Ah, if only life were this simple.

Why does everyone want to be a 'historical' family so much? I mean sure, it's cool to be able to point out the famous person on your family tree and say, "he's my great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather!" But it's way cooler to be part of the family that comes from obscurity and rises to greatness, IMO.

Good thing you can't, either!

o_o

There'd be so much more incest in the Basin, the Mes'ard are already linked to most of the Great Houses in some way.

Question, can you apply to MAKE your family historical? So rather then turning it into something else, you can make it important in it's own right?

That two timing b*tch! I knew she couldn't be trusted, Nightshades are doing well though, which Asty seems to like affirming every chance she gets...<3 Astraea.

I was wondering if there was a way to gain entry to a family without the owner or existing family's consent or even nominal consent of majority. For example Shervalian, Inalai and n'Kylbar have seen better days, n'Kylbar especially is one of the three "great" Magnagoran houses. So hypothetically it could have more links than just the Revan/Ravin connection as an example. Would this be allowed if a family had a chance of being revived, since it would be a bit annoying to lose directly mentioned Celestian families (Forren was very smart to jump on Shervalian so quickly, same with Catarin).

Richter to answer your question off the top of my head, these families may be used:

Celest:
Farain
Symfale (maybe not actual spelling, but captain from history)
Celest has alot of named denzins comparatively, but I don't have Celestian.

Glom:
Stormcrow

Ackleberry:
Gladheart

Serenwilde:
Lunseer
Strongleaf
Treeheart

Magnagora:
i'Xiia - Last Great House unclaimed
d'Lardick, n'Rotri, d'Vanecu, y'Bolgari, n'Lochli - Bannerhouses

General:
zi'Prouep - Lucidian Astrologers

There are tonnes, but that's just a few.

That's what I'm asking, but if Eventru is representing Estarra's views accurately then no you can't. We tried that before and after a few weeks of discussion (apparently) it was rejected.

i'Xiia - Last Great House unclaimed ??

Really??

OOOOH maybe I should do something about that....

If you read Daganev's history, he was once an i'Xiia

dammit, it would be really tempting to do. *sigh* (someone PM me if you would be interested.. You can live anywhere)

edit3: I created a new topic. Didn't want to derail this one:

http://forums.lusternia.com/index.php?showtopic=17828

That's not too bad Daganev, I mainly remember awful awful histories from Aetolia (which had alot of guilds requiring it to advance at one point) so I never did one, also marriages end on lusty quicker than the Cantors lose a leader, so kinda hard to factor in without a million chapters >.>. For i'Xiia Lorelei was unofficially trying to do it, but never got it, although I hope you find someone .

We have more demigods than we have people with Backgrounds/Histories....

Another family (that I think Druken should do with Inseira): Meshergrub.

Also, good, clean processes = good. And clean.

If you mean apply to have your family name show up in the histories or as part of new areas, then, no, you can't make an application for that. That's not to say player families will never show up in histories or new areas, but it's not something you can apply for.