I have a pretty high resolution, but I don't use Firefox maximized. If it were an image, I could AdBlock it, at least.

Ahh, that would do it.

It used to be almost universal that experienced, high-level, long-term players did not kill very young, low-level newbies/lowbies unless they earned it (by joining raids, mouthing off, etc.). It was widely understood that it was best for the whole game if those who were new to Lusternia were not immediately discouraged by being killed without having done anything, while taking their first steps, before they even had a chance to learn the basics.

We really need to get back to that. We're cutting off our own noses to spite our faces here. Even those who like nothing other than hurting other people still need other people to hurt to have their fun, so give them a chance to get interested first.

It's always fun to attack novices on prime because you want them off your influencing spot and call for help when you get retaliated for it. Fun fun.

Also, please keep away from librarian woes. You'll understand when you wear the shoes of one.

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That's for you, Xavius, Mr. You-need-to-know-where-the-game-ends-and-the-forums-begin.

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Daj clearly needs to know this. Oh, hey, he's in the SS! Maybe you can tell him that attacking novices on prime is baaaaad.Real baaad.

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Yes, I'm not my usual calm self. People are people.

This picture reminds me of Pectus's magic basket.

I actually did yell at Daj for that. He claims that the novice in question joined in an attack on him first, and I suppose I'll never know the truth of it. The real point is I made clear to him that I don't want to see novices attacked without a damned good reason (like joining in a raid), for next time.

For the record, while my post was inspired by two particular people who are decidedly unSeren, I have no illusions that Serenwilde or anywhere else is free of people doing this. We all need to remember why we used to have this "unwritten rule". Those who are doing it need to stop, and everyone else needs to lean on them to encourage them to stop. It's for the best for all of us.

If anyone from Glomdoring attacks a novice, feel free to let me know. Said individual will find themselves at the bottom of my nest.

The novice in question was merely influencing monks in Tosha. Also, I don't think he attacked Daj first:

(Glomdoring): Khallil says, "I was just randomly attacked by Daj."


For what it's worth, I only ever join raids when certain people(for whom I have text loath) are around.

A Glom did attack a novice today, and then proceeded to get someone else from Glom killed in enemy territory on a "raid" seemingly in retaliation for the enemy status.

If that's the one I'm thinking of, she wasn't technically a novice, but she was certainly a lowbie non-combatant barely out of novicehood, sitting at her nexus.

Fortunately this was the exception: she seems more interested in learning how to fight now than before. But 9 times out of 10 that drives them away from the game, and 9 times out of 10 of the remainder, away from combat.

I just hope we can keep this discussion from being too partisan. Doesn't matter whose side the perps are on, just that they need to stop.

I'm going to be devil's advocate and say I don't necessarily agree that coddling novices will prevent them from becoming maladjusted to the game. Sometimes getting killed happens. If it won't happen when they're a novice it will happen later.


Just not griefing or holding an OOC grudge.

There's a world of difference between dying in the process of trying to learn how things work, and when you're expecting it to be possible, and when you're already engaged and interested enough to find it part of the experience; and dying right out of the gate, while you're doing something innocent like gathering pilgrims, when you have no idea what was even happening while you're being attacked, and you have no clue what the reasons are that people fight, and you never had a chance to get interested in the world.

Anyway, anecdotally at very least, history agrees that the vast majority of people who get randomganked in their first month in the game don't come back, so I don't really have to argue the why of the unwritten rule, it's enough that it demonstrably does work.

I'm with Lendren on this. Killing novices is bad and should be way, way, way down on the list of ways to deal with them, IMO. If a novice is being a jerk enough that you're tempted to kill him or her, I'd even suggest that sending a message to their org's Ambassador or someone in their Guild about it would be a better first step than killing them. Give their leaders a chance to take them aside and tell them they're inviting a world of trouble with that sort of attitude. They might not even realize they're pushing buttons. This way, they get a warning, they learn.

And, if, after their leader's told em to stop or they might get in a fight they can't win, they still do it, well, then at least they were warned. They can't mistake it for being attacked by bullies for reasons they don't get.

Well... I agree that novices (even if not in official name) shouldn't be killed.

Really though, if you quit an online game over one gank, you're being a bit oversensitive. I know that doesn't mean it's okay to attack them, but seriously....

I think so too. In the real world you're never 100% safe.

One: If the newbie gets upset and quits over one idiot, I call it natural selection.
Two: You shouldn't target newbies unless they're a threat or mouthing off.

Oh, and the duck is back. This time, chickens are his minions.

The vast majority of people who get randomganked in their first month in the game don't come back because of the randomgank or because of other reasons? If a player stops playing after he or she gets randomganked, how do we know that player stopped playing because of the randomgank? The initial statement just seemed too vague to be argued as fact.

Killing novices and such is generally considered lame, etc. No argument there.

Doodoo.

To stock my shop of food.

900 grain, 340 milk, 280 salt, 200 sugar, 80 eggs, 820 spices, 40 snowballs, 140 kafe, 780 fruit, 1740 meat, 840 vegetables, 220 poultry, 20 sage, 80 marjoram, 40 weed, 140 fish, 40 juniper, and 20 sargassum

IMO it's the complexity of the PK system that's extremely discouraging, not the discovery that mean people who will try and hurt you exist within the game. If you decide you want to get even, you're immediately confronted with the difficulty of defense and the high $$ cost of entry for offense.

This. If someone ganks me in WoW, I might not be able to just go kill them back, but I know the general way to do so. Here, that could be your first taste of needing a system and all that goes with combat.