So what, the rest of us actually playing the game have some super secret information that only you don't know about? Read the posts and you'll know as much as anyone else.
Offer up your thoughts and observations or don't be surprised when you are lynched for lurking. If the vote get's close then you should make some kind of claim and try to persuade people not to enact mob justice on you. By then it might be too late though so step up or start picking out crystal prisons.

This is the Xikue context.




context for salvation




context for Furien

Two of those are actually what we would call quotes taken "out of context," so if anyone is going to start voting based on more Daganev-inspired nonsense, please be sure to click that little arrow icon.

how are those out of context exactly?

I just did a search for the name Ilyarin on the thread and those were the people who pointed fingers.

Wait, and while I agree that Ilyarin's probably just fine, why are we going to go after people who voted for him like that makes them scummy?

I would love a train on Dag, and a big ol' FOS for Zynna and Ilyarin.

Seriously Xavius, it's like you are searching as hard as you can to find anything I say scummy. I could theoretically have a mod confirmed doctor role and you would say its scummy that I'm protecting people.

"we" aren't doing anything.

It was something I suggested and asked for some input on.

It seems to me like Ilyarin is a confirmed protector role of some sort. I find it scummy that people would try to cast suspicion on that.

Why would you want an FOS on Ilyarin???

Let's go over your last few posts!

Xikue is suspicious of Ilyarin because his power failed to work as Ilyarin claimed. Furien isn't talking about Ilyarin doing anything suspicious at all, he's talking about his own power. "Oh, Xavius, I don't know why you think this is out of context, woe is me!"

Then, out of nowhere, "Everyone who suspects Ilyarin is suspicious! Let's look at them." No, actually, let's not. Maybe instead, if you turn up scum, we'll just stick him right next to Zynna for being too closely associated.

Ayisdra, I see you reading, it's time to post.

From what I saw, most people dropped their votes on Ilyarin after he posted a few explanations. The biggest thing was that it looked, from the mod message, as if Ilyarin's power... hadn't really prevented anything harmful. I mean, an earthen mark was prevented? Ok? Two people still died. In any case, that was dropped in favour of the more fishy jumping around on Furien. Then we decided to make lurkers post, so Ayisdra got the vote. At the moment, I'm wondering why Daganev considers anyone who voted for Ilyarin worthy of suspicions, when most of the votes were dropped in favour of 'Eh... I still don't like this guy.' I mean, aggressive is good and all, but then there's 'DIE DIE DIE.' And I'm still not sure on Furien, but I'm up for waiting another few nights to see if we can get any more information out of him (or someone else, when the need arises).

I asked you which of the quotes were out of context, because I did a search and had no idea what the context was. The answer is it was Furien, thank you.

Where is this "woe is me" crap coming from?
Why are you hounding on me so much and making stuff up?

I find anyone who posts against Casilu or Ilyarin at this point suspicious. I see no reason for people to even hint at putting suspicion in their direction. It just seems like a scummy game of misdirection to me.

I'm not sure how you can say that his power didn't work? It prevented a mark on the ground. Presumably those marks are "bad things"

He was very clear that he did not know what it could or could not protect against.

I've been going through all of the pages again and making some notes. Just got up to Day 2 and am exhausted, but will try to plow through the rest to try and post something worthwhile.

But, quickly, on the Ilyarin power point, there is proof that his power worked -- from the mod herself. He said it would work to prevent a bad action at night -- we don't know what that bad action is: an anti-town cult conversion (my guess)? a third kill? (not sure yet how to reconcile this with no SKs - this is part of what makes the anti-town cult thing more likely to me) The fire power he invoked he said it wouldn't be best to share, and as I believe he is pro-town, I don't see a point in pushing that.

Here is the evidence from Kira herself that it worked:



I think the second killing of Arix was done by a vigilante because it felt like he ninja lynched Solanis, not giving anyone time to react when he finally claimed. And I know that he was going to be my first target in the morning.

Well, that was largely unexpected. Thanks, Dugan!

Also, I'm 75% sure Ilyarin claimed his power would block 'a' harmful night action. Or at least came to correct himself on that.

I highly doubt an SK or scum or similar would ever have powers like these, so I'm pretty sure he's town.

It is fairly silly to call Ilyarin scum. Unless he shows a harmful power I find it really tough that scum would be given his power.

Hence the whole 'dropping the Ilyarin thing' that happened quite some time ago.

That is, I dropped the vote on Ilyarin a few pages back, and I think Furien/Xikue did the same. So really, we're looking at people for being suspicious of another before enough explanations were given to have the three go 'Huh, alright.' Excellent strategy.

I'll post by Day and follow up with Day 2. Not sure if this will make much sense to others, as they're mainly my notes as I read through it again, focusing on Xavius, Furien, Dugan, and Dag. After I get the Day 2 together, I'll try to write a separate post making more sense of it all.

DAGANEV
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Dag votes for Xavius over the counter Llandros rolefishing and Zynna bomb argument

(post 271) Dag says he thinks at that point Rika, Furien, and Arix might all be scummy

Dag votes for Furien post 309

BACK & FORTH RE COP
why would you psuedo claim cop at this point? :facepalm: (325)


after back and forth, (408) Dag says to put this on the back burner

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XAVIUS
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Initiates vote on Dag for lynch Day 1 on the Llandros rolefishing issue

Xavius unvotes and follows Llandros' vote on Arix for FOSing Dag but voting for Llandros (p 13)

Xavius votes for Furien (post 260) though he's not really feeling it because he doesn't see a better option at the moment

Unvotes Furien after cop claim (341)

Unvotes Furien and FOS Dag quoting Dag saying let's lay off Furien for the day

Vote for Dugan because not voting bother Dugan

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FURIEN
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Follows Xavius in trying to push for Dag lynch Day 1 on the Llandros rolefishing issue

Unvotes from Dag post 288 after Dag's explanation of I heard A, fit into B, so posted C.

Furien had given conflicting rationales for his Dag vote/thoughts on Llandros rolefishing:

QUOTE (Furien @ Jul 24 2009, 01:43 PM) *
This is logic I like. Unvote
Vote: Daganev


QUOTE (Furien @ Jul 27 2009, 12:01 AM) *
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I'll admit that Llandros was fishing a bit but I don't see why Daganev feels the need to throw it back at Xavius, who...isn't, at all.

QUOTE (Furien @ Jul 27 2009, 01:18 PM) *
I already gave you my reason why- the claim of rolefishing on Llandros was flimsy at best and of minimal value regardless of how he was answered.

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BACK & FORTH RE COP

FURIEN:
That's going to be the worst mistake of your life to say the least. (319)

When Dag asked who that's directed at, Furien says "Everyone that's trying to get me lynched. And the town in general if they agree with it. "

FURIEN:
My backtracking is realizing 'hmm, maybe there's something more to this that I can find out later in the game wink wink'. (324)

DAG:
why would you psuedo claim cop at this point? :facepalm: (325)

LLANDROS:

FOS Furien, even if you are a cop you are no good to the town, having outed yourself at this point

XIKUE:
Unlike other roles, cops may be okay if outed. If they're the only one outed.
Mafia trying to lynch our cop in broad daylight may certainly go ahead and try. Gives the town something to analyse.

DAG:

See but here is the thing. He didn't actually claim to be anything. So nobody can say "Ha! you are lying because you are claiming to be what I am"

All he did at this point was make himself a target for the scum at night, creating a game of wifom.

Maybe he is hoping the real cop will come out and say, "I'm a cop, so Furien can't be." (which would be pretty stupid for the cop to come out and say, which again creates a wifom game)

Then again he might have an ability which just kills the last person who does the actual lynching. We don't know, cause he didn't claim anything.

Ontop of all this, I'm not sure how "being able to figure this out at night." would explain why he was inconsistent with his reasoning for his voting habbits.



(336) Holy crap, I'm saying I'm the cop* so that you people don't lynch me and because I AM, not because I want anyone else to reveal themselves. What the hell else am I going to do? Herpaderp if I'm getting lynched I'll do stuff to prevent that lynch.

PS: It's called a doctor.

(337)
* = My power works in a weird way, which you'll see if I end up dying, and I hopefully won't if someone in this game has brains.

First: Just claimed cop, continue on.

Second: Which is why I've hopefully got protection and my power might work out in our favour anyways.

Third: You're wrong yet again.

Fourth: And again.

Fifth: For the second time I did not say that as the reason why I was inconsistent, I said I was being inconsistent because I was wrong and THEN there was the whole 'realizing my mistake and seeing an opportunity to use my power to help the town' prior to you people suddenly deciding forming a train on me was an A+ idea.



Xavius then unvotes Furien (341)

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If something does happen to me overnight that isn't the doctor failing miserably, my death should reveal a likely scum suspect.

If I don't die, then I've found a townie, and you'll all know who it is. (344)

(401):
COP NOT REPORTER

Also with a PM I just got from the mod, give me a few hours to clarify something. After that I may be able to give you the go-ahead for lynching me.

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THE IDEA WAS:

1. Induct person
2. Broadcast morning message that I inducted Person
3. If I died in the morning it was clear that Person was scum because I can't induct scum
4. Town lynches scum
5. My power serves its purpose

THE WAY THE MOD CORRECTED ME

1. Induct Person
2. Send Pamphlet to group
3. Die uselessly in the morning if the person was scum

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Here I'll give you a hand, I'm the safest lynch.

Vote: Furien (424)

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Unvote

I think I may have just found a bit of a use for my power. Unless I just get nightkilled. And I probably will. And that will suck. (442)