I laughed.



Read again, try again.

Too sleepy, will try to do day 2 in the morning before work!

Just to make it clear. Furien's votes are still on him. I'll give you a vote-count when I wake up again.

Here is my day 2 summary on the Furien issue. I'm late for work so just have my comments in brackets.

DAY TWO
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FURIEN refuses to help town by revealing who the townie is because he looks like a cult rather than town with cult mechanic and we won't trust him (723)

XAVIUS unvotes from Othero & votes for Furien (727)

DUGAN votes for Furien saying he's inclined to agree and only reason votes came off was to have time to get proof (728)

DUGAN says the vote can come off if the inductee comes forward (730)

FURIEN says his inductee is voting for him (734)

XAVIUS says FURIEN narrowed down his inductee to either Dugan or him, "so any concern you'd had over our identities is pretty well blown." (738)



FURIEN says it could have been Zynna or Ilyarin

XAVIUS explains why not and says "Trust me, we're outed, and it's ok, because I know at least I'm town and would love for someone to confirm it." (741)

DAG asks if Xavius was targeted by Furien last night

XAVIUS says he did not receive a PM from the mod but wasn't really expecting one. (745)

FURIEN claims he targetted Xavius and his pamphlet made it out the door but Xav never received it so no one in group (746)



FURIEN claims he's been straightforward with the details

FURIEN when asked if Xavius is in the cult says "No, but he is town!" (753)

XAVIUS says "You know, it's possible that the blocked attack was Furien. He might not be quite such a pro-town cult." (760)

FURIEN: "But there's absolutely no proof of that" and doesn't see his deal as harmful (761)

XAVIUS "Culting is pretty harmful. Mason recruitment isn't. I definitely didn't get anything. It's not a confirmation of anything, you're right, but...eh" (764)

FURIEN agrees culting can be harmful but not if pro-town. Suggests roleblocker blocked the pamphlet.

XAVIUS has (to me) a sudden change of heart. "You know what I really don't like? That I believe him." Unvotes for Furien sounding "resigned and sincere" (766)

XAVIUS in response to Salvation's musing that Xavius is bluffing and is cult says "The quickest way to figure that out would be to lynch Furien. He's just not behaving as someone caught in a lie." (787)

XAVIUS says if he (Xav) were scum, Furien would be dead. (789)



FURIEN says we'll have to trust him that Xavius is town. When Furien dies we can confirm it 100%. Doesn't see giving someone free will as secretive. And honestly doesn't want scum to trail his inductees to reduce the size of our own informed minority. Really minimizes use of power (790)

DAG suspects either Furien or whoever pushed train on ATS because something doesn't add up

FURIEN says that's the worst justification ever.

FURIEN claims he'll be able to come up with proof overnight assuming not roleblocked "again" (795)



FURIEN "Don't pull out this 'you're being secretive again!' crap" (801) He passed out his pamphlet "at this point my guar is down and if it's scum I die". I made the pass safely and returned to safety. Somehow the pamphlet did not make it to Xavius



FURIEN confirms Xavius has not been inducted so won't receive messages he sends to the group.

FURIEN "I do die when I recruit scum."

DUGAN says "you would have thought that any watcher we had would have done so last night." (807)


FURIEN yeah, but why would the watcher out himself when culting wasn't successful and I'm alive (809)


DAG doesn't like the back and forth with Furien (810)
lynching me biggest mistake ever vs. cop vs. pro town cult
I didnt out who I targetted vs could be any of 4 vs was XAvius
Xavius back and forth too: wasn't targetted/Furien's guilty vs. I think Furien is innocent
Xavius is 100% town vs. I was roleblocked vs. I don't know what Xavius is

FURIEN says "I'm essentially telling the truth every time" (814)
Cop -> finds info on others -> I die if target scum which is like finding out info on others
I said who I targetted was up to them but I decided to say yes I targetted Xavius because I was confused on the vote on me

FURIEN
Well, actually, let's say 95% town, since I die by recruiting 'scum' -- so could be independent.

DAG
Tracker wouldn't learn anything because would have thought Xavius was targetted. But as wasn't successfully recruited, would have false info (that was part of cult when wasn't). Bad to assume roleblocker is scum. Only way to know if Xavius is part of cult is to lynch Xavius, if Furien telling truth, can trust Xavius. (816)

DAG
Furien gave out misleading information initially. Lynch all liars philosophy

FURIEN
Tracker is for if I die. yes tracker would think Xav was part of cult until I said he wasn't. "And given that I might be town aligned, it's good to assume the roleblocker was scum, trying to get you people to lynch me"



FURIEN says he tried to keep his role info hush hush because he's someone who can find scum

FURIEN says he's going to cult Dag tonight (820).


FURIEN
(832) "Once again, I said I ASSUMED roleblock. I have no idea what actually happened." "Pretty confident" would have died if Xav was scum.

DAG
"Then you weren't roleblocked at all....how many times is the story going to change?" (834)
In response to Furien saying his pamphlet got out the door and that Furien saying despite letting down guard no injury came to him.



FURIEN in all bold/caps: "I assumed the pamphlet did not go through due to roleblock or similar mechanic" Votes for Dag.
(835)

XAVIUS says Furien has been consistent the last few times

DAG (843) "simple application of logic will show someone that he didn't get roleblocked." Can't conceive of any scenario where what he said was true and he got roleblocked. Means Furien is trying to confuse us with extra facts that didn't happen. Thinks it more likely Furien didn't target Xavius at all and have growing cult on hands

DAG when cultists convert someone dead to town because have to kill them off to win.

XAVIUS votes for DAG "because he's wrong, Furien's story is consistent, Dag is lying about the inconsistency or too inept to comprehend what Furien is saying, and he is pushing this with alarming fervor for someone who is so wrong" (861)

DAG doesn't think he's wrong. Asks why he's being targetted rather than Zynna with same conclusion (864)

FURIEN votes for himself because people remain stubborn and insistent on being completely wrong. (867)

DUGAN says I thought we were giving him 3 days to prove himself (895)

DUGAN says Furien gets another day (896)

DAG asks Xav (1) Is Furien cop or investigator? 2. Assuming what Furien says is true would it be the worst mistake of our lives to lunch? (898)

DAG says 3 days was when Furien could be verified, but can't (899)

DUGAN invokes his power (900)


DUGAN says he doesn't like that town got lynched yesterday, almost stopped it then but decided to do so today to not repeat mistake (905)

XAVIUS says in response to Dag Q1 "His role is sensitive to alignments and can be used in a way beneficial to the town, thus giving him an investigative aspect, yes" (906)



DAG says why did Furien argue "COP NOT REPORTER" when rpowers closer to reporter than cop? Begins to look at other targets due to Dugan's power use (910)

DAG asks Dugan why he decided it was a good idea to protect someone who is a self proclaimed cult leader (912)

XAVIUS unvotes Ayisdra and votes for DAG not liking how "single-minded" he is in this and cherry picking to get Furien lynched.



DAG says he's not cherry picking, he's looking at all posts. (914)

DUGAN votes for Dag (915)


DAG And Dugan you're not explaining why protected cult leader

DUGAN
"How many different directions are you going to go into?" (917)



DAG I've only had one theory: Furien is a cult leader and lying about something (929)


DUGAN "And do we not have an investigator whom can verify and/or counter his claim..." (930)


DAG says it depends on what investigator finds out. Rather stays silent until finds mafia. Stop avoiding my Qs. What numerous theories? (931)

XAVIUS "You're so sure Furien is cult leader and not a mason recruiter that you're ignoring everything like Furien explaining his role in detail, revealing his target (maybe), correcting his mistakes as soon as he caught them and clarified with the mod, and generally trying to give as much information as possible. You want him to be lynched so badly that you're flailing at anyone who believes him and/or sees through your tripe, like me and Dugan. The single-mindedness of it all is leading you to jump all over the place, which is what Dugan was saying. First, it was me who was suspicious for backtracking. Then I was suspicious because you think I might be trying to deny culting. Then Dugan was suspicious for trying to cover for him. You're bending everything you can get your hands on to try to make Furien look bad, and I'm calling you on it again. Augmenting one goal blindly instead of considering arguments is a scum tell. " (933)



DAG (936):
Wait a second, when did I say Dugan was suspicious? Yeah, I''m a bit pissed that Dugan used his power on someone who claimed to be a cultist, instead of using on someone he thought might be a cop or doctor, but why shouldn't I be? (Like Ilyarin would be a good person to use that power on since some people seem to want to call him scummy)
-And when did I say you were trying to deny being culted? The whole reason I think Furien is lying is because if you were culted, and he was telling the truth, then you would tell us that you were culted. The fact that you are saying you aren't culted is proof that Furien is lying about who he culted.
-As far as "ignoring everything", I'm not.
Furien SLOWLY explained his role in detail, after we yanked it out of him. Who knows what information he isn't telling us about his role, and which parts he is lieing about.
And he didn't correct his mistakes on his own, he only corrected his mistakes after we put pressure on him to explain himself. Added with the "woe is me" attitude, it all looks like an eloborate play to me. I can't remember exactly who did this before, I think it might have been shiri when he was solidsnake scum. But I've seen it done enough times to recognize the charade.

And that was a pain to go do, so I want to hear everyone's opinion please, not just the few select chatty people (though I want those too of course)!

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Poster Posts
daganev 176
Furien 80
Othero 66
Xavius 64
Zynna 60
Kiradawea 46
Ilyarin 45
Salvation 40
casilu 39
Xikue 36
AllergictoSabres 35
Dugan Diluculo 35
Shaddus Mes'ard 32
Llandros 32
diamondais 25
Arix 24
Solanis 24
Silferras 21
Sarvasti 20
Aerotan 18
rika 17
Ayisdra 14
thisismydisplayname 11
Shiri 2
Deschain 1
Ruiku 1
Renthur 1
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1. Xavius probably realized he was one of the larger figures in the game. He usually is in Mafia. At that night I was deciding between him and Daganev, honestly.

2. Circumstances changed. Come the end of night one things were a bit more relaxed, then Dag gets on my case on Day 2, so proof becomes more necessary.

3. All of these are true. A few times now I've said I'm the safest choice to lynch. It'll devalue my power and I'd rather it not happen but at least it won't be a cop or similar, you know?

4. See #2, circumstances changed again. Daganev needed convincing (questionable as it would be to everyone else) and I figure he may have his own agenda. Granted, this is really unusually active and out-there behaviour for scum.

5. Good point. Jailkeeper?

6. See #3.

7. Cult leader yes, lying no!

8. Fishy, yes, but I don't see a scum using something like 'gentle spirit'. What is he, Helen Keller with an AK-47? Can prove this later in the event someone tries to push me to 10.

9. I wouldn't call that an emotional argument. Sweeping, more like, and necessary to pin Daganev down so others can see what's going on.

At this point the current people up for discussion are going no where fast. There doesn't seem to be enough people to lynch any one of them righ tnow. I say we go for a lurker and i'm keeping my vote on Ayisdra for now.

Okay, on bus. I am suspicious of Xavius for being suspicious of Dag for being susipicious of Furien (lol) because the only reason Xavius says he's no longer voting for Furien is because he believes him. But that doesn't mean Xavius' own early thoughts (ilyarin protected against a harmful cult action, etc. ) aren't true. Abd he should see that...just because he no longer thinks that's true doesn't mean other reasonable people can't come to another conclusion given the lack of proof.

I also don't like that it seems Dugan is subtlely trying to sniff out our investigator. And it seems he's following Xavius' votes.

It's possible Furien is town, but Xavius has switched to support Furien though scum(xavius) because if Furien is lynched then that will give Xavius an aura of innocence.

Continuing here because BlackBerry lost place.

And Dugan who could be scum with Xavius follows vote so as to share in aura of innocence. Also his power is unconfirmed at moment.

Zynna, I'm at the point where those are good points, I think Xavius and Furien should be watched, but we sort of need to move on. Even if Dugan didn't use his power we were not going to get a lynch on Furien today. We should assume that we can't lynch and work out another target. I'm still sitting on Ayisdra. Somewhat scummy lurking and then suprise when people expect him to talk doesn't sit well with me. I'd like to push him for some info, his opinion on the game or something about the roles, or push for a lynch on the idea that we should lynch lurkers.

Should we assume anything re:Dugan's power? Wouldn't it be better to not give him the chance to have just "created" a power? Anyway. Zynna's post is a lot to read and mull over. I will respond to it in more detail when I have the time to sit down and go over it, but on the premise it seems to bring up a lot of valid points that have only reinforced my doubts.

We were only one vote shy of 10 votes on Furien so why couldn't we get that to confirm?

But, yes, away from this whole issue, I support getting lurkers to talk.

Do we have the votes to test his power? We only got up to nine votes and no one seemed to want to budge for the tenth.

(o_o How did you make those posts on a Blackberry, wow.)
I agree that discussion over Furien ought to continue on day three.


I'll relent and move to Unvote, Vote: Aysidra. While I considered leaving my vote on Rika due to low activity, the differing timezone issue has been pointed out. Aysidra however, has been seen reading without posting.

Although something I didn't consider until just now. If his(Dugan's) power is real, what if it simply ends the day with no lynch? Is that something we could risk?

What info do you want from/of me?

The big post was done at home!

Kiradawea, could I get a vote count as well?

Who do you consider scummy and why?