Getting rid of all that other staff. I mention that an investigator could look at Furien to be able to prove or deny his claim and I get told I seem to be fishing out the investigator. Show me where I did it before (since you say again) ... but isn't that what an investigator does .... then hopefully our protector and/or doctor will back up the investigator ...

Dag and Xavius firstly. I find their aggressive (and somewhat of Dag's jumping around to get info from people) scummy myself, although you could say that is their play style.
Furien, maybe not really scummy but I do think he could be a threat at some point later in the game.

Another point, the top posters could be doing such to just cover up that they are scum (being active and all that).

It is there play style, they are both aggressive bastards, but that doesn't make it unscummy. As for Furien I am starting to think using the other power tomorrow would help dispell the issues around this whole thing. That's not a role you would give a cult and it would probably help some people make up their mind.

As for the top posters, I agree. With a five person mafia in my head I'm betting we have one or two who are very active pushing for trains and lynches, one or two who are about medium and are taking cues from others as to how they can lynch, and probably one who is lurking within the game. The whole thing that makes those lurkers dangerous compared to the active mafia is that active mafia can slip up. If they start going too hard on lynching someone who seems like town we can say they might be mafia. If the ones taking cues start making :censor: votes we can call them out. Pressure makes them give false claims or give false powers. We can't do that with someone who is lurking. We can't see them mess up and we can't see them make :censor: claims.

Making me wade back through all of that again? Meanie!

1. The way I see it, the reason Xavius states that he thinks he was targeted (before confirmation by Furien) is because out of the two (Dugan and Xavius), he just considers himself more 'targetable'. That is, Dugan hadn't really posted much on day 1, whereas Xavius had been pretty loud. Someone important, etc.

2. I agree on the whole pamphlet-death-clause business. If the whole culting business was never completed (and it doesn't look like it was... wondering why Furien insists that it was and that, as such, Xavius must be town. Unless he's hiding something, that bastard), then there's no evidence either way for Xavius being town or scum.

3. The thoughts on Furien baiting the investigator are interesting and worth considering.

4. I don't agree on the Ilyarin-blocking-pamphlet thing. I mean, from the information given, it seems that the pamphlet-portion of Furien's power is positive/beneficial. Scum already know who is town/scum, so knowing who is town only helps town. And since that was the part that was blocked, I don't see how Ilyarin's 'harmful action prevention program' is related.

Xavius is looking more and more suspicious, though that may just be because I read Zynna's post last, hehe. Dugan could well be bluffing, too. But, if we assume that he is not, Furien cannot be lynched and we need to wait until a later day to continue with that business. So, my vote stays on them lurker-types, y'see.

And, yes cops (cops!) investigate people to determine their alignment, but the point is that it makes zero sense for the cop to come out and be vulnerable to having to be protected unless he finds solid scum. If he did investigate Furien last night and found out he was town, he should still remian silent. If he found out Furien was the weird independent, he should still remain silent. So the point is that there is not going to be proof for a few days, and in the meantime a lot of harm could be done!

Will you please read over the recaps of the last two days I did and pull out some of the quotes that you agreed with/didn't agree with/struck you as funny. I spent a lot of time to gather than information to make it easier for all of us to review, and it would be very helpful!

To be fair, several of us have already discussed the information. The summary of that information doesn't exactly make for exciting, new discussion.

But many haven't, hence why there are lurkers and specifically I don't recall ayisdra's input.

Do people want to risk the no lynch possibility to confirm Dugan's power? I can switch real quick.

I'd rather not. It may confirm Dugan's power, but I think we ought to get more out of a second-day lynching.

A no lynch would be a terrible idea.

At this point I'm going to have to unvote, VOTE Ayisdra

It looks to me like Aysidra is being too cautious, not wanting to speak freely out of fear of dropping hidden info that he has.

As Xavius pointed out many many pages ago, that is a clear case of an informed minority.

"We're all someone's daughter, we're all someone's son
How long can we look at each other down the barrel of a gun"
You're the voice

Vote Count:

AtS: 1 (Rika)
Furien: 5 (Zynna, Othero, Shaddus, Furien, Diamondais)
Daganev: 3 (Xavius, Sarvasti, Dugan)
Ayisdra: 5 (Ilyarin, Llandros, Salvation, Xikue, Daganev)

With 19 around, it's 10 to lynch.

Ok

unvote. Vote ayisdra

So the Ayisdra is more of a pressure vote then ....

Zynna made a really useful list of the arguments - thanks! I have the feeling we'll be referring back to that since the entire thing is so convoluted.

Personally, I don't trust Furien yet since I'm still not convinced about the whole Xavius-not-culted-but-definitely-town-because-I-didn't-die thing, and I agree with many of the points Zynna made in the compilation, but it doesn't seem like we have a choice to do something about that today. If Dugan could confirm with the mod whether going through with the Furien lynch would end in a no-lynch for today, that would be great.

Regarding the Ayisdra train, I don't think he's behaving particularly scummily, just that he usually plays like this - not that more posts would be a bad idea. At this point, the question is whether we're pressuring for more posts or for a roleclaim.

Don't have to, its in the role. It takes the lynch and makes it a no-lynch. I also have the option to not post it openly when I do it. So I could have just privately PM'ed the mod and done it in silence ...

Unvote Vote: Asydra I thought I already had.

I think the scummiest thing is that when called on not posting much he just gets defensive. Instead of accepting it is a scum tactic and posting more would help he gets defensive and says that he just has nothing to say or that those who are posting a lot are probably scum. He's deflecting.

By my count he's at 7 votes, he should give us a reason not to kill him whether that be a role claim or adding in something productive.