You can vote for Shaddus. He just can't put up any defense whatsoever until dusk.

Ah, okay. So you used the same mechanic with Xavius and mystery guy/gal?

Yeah, same deal.

I'll be honest, I just made the SK comment to see how people would react. I was hoping to get a reaction out of someone so I could go after them, considering I got information proving the opposite. Only people I saw pay any attention to it on the last day were Xavius and Dugan.

So he.. can't put up any defense at all? I assume by 'dusk' you mean twilight, in which case the lynch for the day should have already been decided.

I'm not sure about Zynna. She followed him closer than would have been a good idea for other mafia members. Also, she gave her own well thought out ideas.

With Dag taking such a prominant role in discussions it would make sense for the other mafia members to lay low and only support him in the wings.

Wish Ayisdra had just quietly roleblocked Shaddus again tonight instead of coming out like that...

I'm not sure about Zynna. She agreed with Daganev, sure, but she also presented her own reasoning as to why she voted the same as Daganev. That is, it was less of a lynch-train and more of a 'huh, that makes sense.' Then again, a lot of her reasoning was the same as Daganev (for those of us who can follow Daganev's reasoning ), and it's not exactly hard to reword/summarize things to make it look like your own decision. FURTHERMORE. We can confirm Furien's pro-town nature if we ferret out the third rogue, yes?

Did you miss the part of me saying it was a one time power?

I think it's pretty clear that I did.

Durr.

Alright, so I went back to take a look at previous trains myself, since no one seems to have discussed that. Snapshots of them as follows:







Since Othero was an SK, that explains why he was on all bandwagons, but the rest (Dugan, Salvation, Llandros) bear some looking into.

So yeah... what about Ayisdra?

I liked your list, I also think it is a bit misleading. Day 1 generally takes forever, since we needed 13 people to get a lynch. Day 2 likewise generally has the same issues. You are going to have repeat names on the major of the lynch trains ... if nothing else to get the day moving. I find it more interesting those names who are NOT on the list. On the above list, 13 names for Solanis, 9 on Furien and 8 on Ayisdra. There are 7 people who did not participate in any of those three vote trains. It strikes me more odd that at needing the thirteen, then nine and then eight votes cast for the majority ... seven did not. To me, the seven flying under the radar deserve a closer look than those moving the game along.

For those interested, the seven people are:

Aysidra, Silferras, Xavius, Synl, Xikue, Sarvasti, Renthur.

And who the heck is Dual Blade (listed as the final vote for Solanis) ...

Dual Blade was Arix's double vote power.

Oh thats right, Arix did make his vote count double.

And Renthur already won the game. Go check out his role if you're curious what he was.

I agree that my list was a little misleading - only the biggest trains that either ended in a lynch or had the greatest potential to end in a lynch were included, which means that my list doesn't account for any other votes. I'm fairly certain that most if not all of the people you listed did vote, just that they didn't join the largest bandwagons as shown in my previous post.

Anyway, that aside, it's a stretch to say that the non-bandwagoners are more suspicious than those who joined them, mainly because of the scum being 'informed minority.' We had five scum (or six including Othero), and that in itself can make up a good chunk of bandwagon votes if they play it right. Rather than going after lurkers now that we know Daganev is scum, it makes more sense to scrutinise the bandwagon votes that are already right in front of our eyes.

I'll go back and analyse the actual voting patterns (who voted whom and when) when I have the time, which should be information that's more useful.

I think the fault in looking at lynchtrains is that (as someone mentioned earlier) capable scum would try and not vote together (at least not too obviously). Even if scum did have a lynchtrain on the first day, on subsequent nights, I figure more capable scum would tell the noobs to try and distance themselves some more. The issue is that lurkers could do the whole distancing thing just as easily. I think we need to look at people who have been posting a fair bit without really stating their own opinion. That is, unlike Zynna, people who vote without showing some strand of (fairly) reasonable logic.

Actually, considering daggy-poo was scum, the other mafioso would likely be on the lynch train. Alot of people listen to him and Shiri, so it you can make their arguments look stronger by voting, it's a good idea, usually.

Eh. I'm considering taking advantage of Ayisdra's freezing of Shaddus, but Rika could have roleblocked the mafia member moving to eliminate last night. Or the doctor protected their target. In short, Ayisdra's use of his roleblock/post-block power doesn't give much information.

To Dugan: As Silferras pointed out, she only included trains, not the full vote count. For myself, I know I voted both days. And I certainly would not have placed a vote on Solanis, my mason partner. You'll want to look at vote counts to come up with people actually under the radar.

She was the one who put up the vote trains, not me. I am going off the same information that she provided and putting my take on it. She wants to tilt information one way ... why can't I tilt it back.