Hero Mafia

by Kiradawea

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Unknown2009-08-13 03:47:48
Ehh. The thing with Ilyarin is, he's suspicious at times with his powers, but he's the closest to a confirmed townie we have (competing with Casilu for that delectable position). Rika could use more a-talkin'.
Rika2009-08-13 04:12:04
For various reasons, I'm not going to name who I targetted on night one.
Unknown2009-08-14 16:16:42
We seem to have run into various dead ends, so.. here's an attempt to revive this - I'd like everyone to state or restate the direction they think we should move in now, and/or who they think is scummy and why exactly they set off your scum radar.

For me, I'd really like to take a closer look at the people who consistently bandwagoned with Daganev, our only confirmed scum so far. These people are Dugan, Salvation, and Llandros, and the only thing that's preventing me from pointing fingers at any of them in particular is:

1. Dugan supposedly has a lynch-prevention power, though we never got to trigger and confirm it. What's the possibility of this turning up in scum? However, he has been strangely defensive regarding my comments about bandwagoning with Daganev and trying to deflect suspicion onto those who didn't vote instead.
2. Salvation.. has been pretty much blending in and just posting from time to time. Nothing really stands out at the moment, which could be scum trying to play town and lay low, but I don't have a definitive feeling about this yet. Will check back on his posts when I have the time.
3. Llandros.. Questionable since Daganev gunned so hard for him at the start, though possible distancing at work there. Not sure what to think, last priority of the three.

Other thoughts?
Diamondais2009-08-14 16:19:09
If I'm alive, I should probably be replaced. I don't know why, but between the Fanfic Mafia and this one. I've missed a day and I have no idea how, life's a bit too busy and I'm a tad too distracted.
Llandros2009-08-14 16:31:13
I'm back and caught up. I am not in league with daganev if that helps any.
Kiradawea2009-08-15 13:28:22
Cultivate virtue in your self and virtue will be real.
Cultivate virtue in the family and virtue will flourish.
Cultivate virtue in the village and virtue will spread.
Cultivate virtue in the nation and virtue will be abundant.
Cultivate virtue in the world and virtue will triumph everywhere.


Vote count!

Zynna: 3 (Xavius, Dugan, Salvation)
Ayisdra: 1 (Rika)
Shaddus: 1 (Ayisdra)

With people being silent, time ticks away until a no-lynch is forced upon you.
Unknown2009-08-15 19:28:57
Looks like we have a deadline. And a no-lynch is bad.
Furien could threaten to induct someone again. That might be interesting.

I've been looking over the posts and Zynna seems more scummy to me now. She has made a number of posts, which has created a large post count buffer for her. When Daganev gave his version of our activity, he simply said Zynna had made a lot of posts but didn't mention how quote-heavy they were. More recently,
QUOTE (Zynna @ Aug 10 2009, 09:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I also am still worried about Furien. I know Dag was against him too and was scum, but this is an instance where scum and town are united in that an anti-town cult isn't helpful. I'm worried if we let too many days go by the cult will get too strong. And I really don't like if it's truly a town cult that we're not being given information that helps us. If we know who is town, then we narrow down the suspects of who is not.
It's written in the mafia wiki that more than one non-town party actually makes it more difficult for a particular group of scum to win. I realise that townies can get hit too, but informed minorities (thoise who know each other and collaborate) are more dangerous than the less knowledgeable townies. As scum, Zynna would see Furien's cult as the greater threat now that we've lost our vigilante (Arix). The way she turned and looked at Aysidra's actions makes me think she doesn't want to be surprised by another day-vig power, even if claimed to be a one-shot. If she can't get people to pressure Furien, ensuring Aysidra does not have a chance to use remaining powers is the next best move for scum.
Vote: Zynna
Rika2009-08-15 21:08:17
Meh, I don't want a no lynch. Unvote. Vote: Zynna. Will go for Zynna since there are more votes on her and there is also a foundation for the voting.

Xiran: Arix was more of a one-shot daykiller than a vigilante. But yeah, I am wary of letting Furien stay alive.
Unknown2009-08-16 12:49:37
Pika~ *red cheeks release sparks* Vote!
Ilyarin2009-08-16 12:59:02
Sorry for my inactivity recently, I sort of let this mafia game slip by the wayside when activity levels dropped so drastically. I think Zynna has done an excellent job of shifting suspicion from her early on in the game by posting frequently and doing her best to make valid points - though these generally echoed Daganev's sentiments. I am still suspicious of Furien, but no-one else seems to be at the moment...

Vote: Zynna

My wind power will hopefully give some information tonight. I will not say further so that anti-townies can try to manipulate the results.
Zynna2009-08-16 17:38:29
I'm not scum and it would be a mistake to lynch me. I quoted a lot WHILE ALSO SUPPLYING MY OWN THOUGHTS ON THE QUOTES because I think it's better to provide support for why you think the way you do, so that people can go back and see for themselves the evidence. It prevents people from getting away from posting scummy things that get lost in the multipage spam. And it also lets people go back and look at why you thought the way you did.

I stopped doing that of late because I'm sick and have stayed home from work because of it too, and going back rereading through quotes and building a post based on the evidence is exhausting. And clearly not appreciated, anyway, as it's being used as the basis to lynch me.

For those of you voting for me even though you say you find Furien suspicious, that makes no sense. If you find Furien suspicious (as I think you should), then you shouldn't find my arguments against Furien suspicious.

Both scum and town have aligned interests in getting rid of an anti-town cult, as I've said before. Furien has not acted pro-town to me, nor has Aysidra. Yes, Ayisdra's random power killed a scum, which is great. But that does not make him town. (Nor would him killing the doctor necessarily make him scum). What is suspicious is that (1) he killed someone without discussing it first, at the slightest sign of pressure, (2) he froze someone for the daytime, which only hurts town, (3) he claims it was a one-time power whereas Rika says she unfroze someone Night 1. Logically, it makes sense to be suspicious!

On an unrelated note, why is Arix's power censored on post 1?
Kiradawea2009-08-16 19:34:49
Cause I wanted to censor his power... maybe.
And I'm gonna start randomly revealing roles to make you guys post more... maybe.
And all of the above is true... maybe.

*twiddle*

Oh, and 72 hour deadline before no-lynch happens.
Unknown2009-08-16 19:39:35
(I am sorry you're sick. Feel better soon.)

The thing about quotes is context. For context, the best thing to look at are the pages in the thread. So whenever you give those quote-posts, I'm going back to see the original source and building my own interpretation to match or counter yours. You have a tendency to hold steadfast even though townies are accumulating new information.
I don't find Furien suspicious actually. I'm inclined believe he is a pro-town cult, but scum would want a cult out of the picture either way. That's why I'm voting for you and not Furien.
At this moment I see Aysidra as more of a townie. Sure, he used his powers fairly liberally, but there's Ilyarin, who has been activating one every day. I don't regard Ilyarin as particularly scummy either.

I'm guessing Arix's role is power-censored because of some special shot kill.
Zynna2009-08-16 20:00:40
QUOTE (Xikue @ Aug 16 2009, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
(I am sorry you're sick. Feel better soon.)

The thing about quotes is context. For context, the best thing to look at are the pages in the thread. So whenever you give those quote-posts, I'm going back to see the original source and building my own interpretation to match or counter yours. You have a tendency to hold steadfast even though townies are accumulating new information.


I agree with that. Please do look at them and tell me where you think we've learned new information that should change my mind. I certainly don't want to be stubborn and am open-minded (well try to be) to changing my mind with new info.
Unknown2009-08-17 03:58:29
QUOTE (Zynna @ Aug 16 2009, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For those of you voting for me even though you say you find Furien suspicious, that makes no sense. If you find Furien suspicious (as I think you should), then you shouldn't find my arguments against Furien suspicious.

Both scum and town have aligned interests in getting rid of an anti-town cult, as I've said before. Furien has not acted pro-town to me, nor has Aysidra. Yes, Ayisdra's random power killed a scum, which is great. But that does not make him town. (Nor would him killing the doctor necessarily make him scum). What is suspicious is that (1) he killed someone without discussing it first, at the slightest sign of pressure, (2) he froze someone for the daytime, which only hurts town, (3) he claims it was a one-time power whereas Rika says she unfroze someone Night 1. Logically, it makes sense to be suspicious!


1. Since both scum and town want to be rid of an anti-town cult (which I suspect Furien's cult of being), there is no reason why finding Furien suspicious absolves you. That is, you could be scum and still be against Furien.

2. I want more information on both Furien and Ayisdra. Ayisdra is more likely not scum due to the random-factor of his power, but his actions have been fairly abrupt, which makes me more suspicious than unsuspicious. Furien's cult business should probably be revealed totally soon, or squashed, cause letting it grow and finding out that it was anti-town the whole time will be pretty meh.
Unknown2009-08-17 04:00:17
The Ilyarin-Ayisdra analogy is not apt. Ilyarin uses his powers every day, but his role seems more designed use those powers each day (what with one for each element or whatever), and each of his powers has been very clearly helpful (well, the first one, anyways). Compare this to Ayisdra's 'kill a random person' and 'stop a person from defending themselves'....
Furien2009-08-17 20:19:42
QUOTE (Salvation @ Aug 16 2009, 08:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1. Since both scum and town want to be rid of an anti-town cult (which I suspect Furien's cult of being), there is no reason why finding Furien suspicious absolves you. That is, you could be scum and still be against Furien.

2. I want more information on both Furien and Ayisdra. Ayisdra is more likely not scum due to the random-factor of his power, but his actions have been fairly abrupt, which makes me more suspicious than unsuspicious. Furien's cult business should probably be revealed totally soon, or squashed, cause letting it grow and finding out that it was anti-town the whole time will be pretty meh.


This first one is something I came to realize earlier today. There had to be at least one other scum nudging Daganev along while still using me as a shield. I think that may be Zynna.

unvote
Vote: Zynna
Zynna2009-08-17 20:25:07
QUOTE (Salvation @ Aug 16 2009, 10:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1. Since both scum and town want to be rid of an anti-town cult (which I suspect Furien's cult of being), there is no reason why finding Furien suspicious absolves you. That is, you could be scum and still be against Furien.


I agree that both scum and town want to be rid of an anti-town cult. And I agree that just because someone wants Furien lynched doesn't mean that that person is town. But, I'm being targeted because I wanted Furien lynched just like Daganev did, yet as already stated, this is one case where the two are united.

This is one case where if I'm the only lynch option the town is better off lynching no one rather than me.
Zynna2009-08-17 20:25:30
What is the vote count and how many for a lynch?
Ilyarin2009-08-17 20:25:40
If Zynna turns out to be town, my eyes will be on Furien tomorrow. I still see no solid evidence from him and it's well and truly past his deadline. I hope you can get some tenable evidence by then, hmm?