Hero Mafia

by Kiradawea

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Rika2009-07-25 21:23:40
So yeah... what now?
Furien2009-07-25 21:27:09
I figured we were waiting on the other two thirds of the game to wake up.
Ayisdra2009-07-25 21:32:31
Yea, we probably was expecting something from Ilyain's post

What is the vote count anyways...highest is four or five votes on someone?
Zynna2009-07-25 21:38:09
We don't even have a majority voting yet -- I only counted two new votes, plus Shaddus' random.org vote
Ilyarin2009-07-25 21:44:10
Well, I wasn't sure whether to expect something or not. I guess not! No matter. At the moment both Xavius and Daganev are actually high on my "scumdar." However, I know from previous games that they both take fairly aggressive roles. I'm willing to attribute it to this, but have had to consider the possibility they are both scum and are trying to publically separate each other in the hopes than if one is voted off, the other will be cleared of all charges, so to speak. I have little to back this up however and so have no real tangible grounds to vote. Still going to withhold.
Unknown2009-07-25 21:57:06
Looking at that line of thinking, Xavius' playstyle so far sort of hints at it. I think he at least has some sort of reason for wanting to get rid of Dag and then possibly Zynna. At the least it is suprisingly aggresive.


QUOTE (Xavius @ Jul 24 2009, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also, FOS: Zynna for heavily implying bomb without provocation. If Dag turns up scum, Zynna needs to die.


Saying Zynna is suspicious just because she said bomb? She wasn't the first one to suggest one of the three could be a bomb or a jester. And if Zynna is a bomb she most likely wouldn't be associated with Dag. She would be trying to pull attention right onto her instead of just defending them. And if he really thinks she would be a bomb then why would you ever suggest we kill her.
Dugan2009-07-25 22:12:14
The ramblings of day one. Nothing to really go by, majority lurk, don't contribute much expect a random vote ...
Unknown2009-07-25 22:16:49
Yeah, but there are... a lot of people who haven't said anything. Only eight should be suspect going by casi's power, though. Hrm...
Xavius2009-07-25 22:19:32
QUOTE (Othero @ Jul 25 2009, 04:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Saying Zynna is suspicious just because she said bomb? She wasn't the first one to suggest one of the three could be a bomb or a jester.

Jester != bomb. By the way, your statement of "bombs usually win alone" is false. It makes no sense. Bombs can be town, scum, SK, or jester. It is a power, not a role. Also, your statement that "one of the three could be a bomb" was first suggested by someone else is false. Ctrl+F is your friend. Post 69 is the first occurrence of the word bomb on this thread. What bomb is is a lynch deterrent, which brings us to...
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And if Zynna is a bomb she most likely wouldn't be associated with Dag. She would be trying to pull attention right onto her instead of just defending them. And if he really thinks she would be a bomb then why would you ever suggest we kill her.

In context, (and this isn't the quotes thread, so context is king) Zynna is implying that she might be one of those unknown three, and she's a bomb. Did she claim it? No. Is it implied so as to deter a lynch? Yes. If Zynna is defending someone so noisily, that person turns up scum, and she's already sowing seeds that say she might not be a safe lynch, she should get railroaded. Mercilessly. If Dag turns up clean, Zynna can be left alone.


As for Dag, if you can look at Llandros' post and go, "Oh, yeah, that guy's rolefishing," then clearly Dag isn't alone and he shouldn't get votes. I'm not sure how repeating something that is clear from our PMs and the setup information can possibly be construed as rolefishing. Does not compute, guys.
Xavius2009-07-25 22:22:22
In less aggro news, my computer is going in to meet the Geek Squad soon, so I will be away for sometime between two hours and two months.
Zynna2009-07-25 22:31:56
QUOTE (Xavius @ Jul 25 2009, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Jester != bomb. By the way, your statement of "bombs usually win alone" is false. It makes no sense. Bombs can be town, scum, SK, or jester. It is a power, not a role. Also, your statement that "one of the three could be a bomb" was first suggested by someone else is false. Ctrl+F is your friend. Post 69 is the first occurrence of the word bomb on this thread. What bomb is is a lynch deterrent, which brings us to...

In context, (and this isn't the quotes thread, so context is king) Zynna is implying that she might be one of those unknown three, and she's a bomb. Did she claim it? No. Is it implied so as to deter a lynch? Yes. ...


I agree context is important, so here is the context:

First, we learned information about who all is here:

QUOTE (Kiradawea @ Jul 24 2009, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
After Tristar and Maab have dropped her off among the others, Casilu bows her head in silent prayer. The group gathers around her, curious at what she is doing. She finally looks up at each and everyone around her. "These trickster divine chose five to play the part of antagonists, and fourteen to play the role of protagonist. I do not know the role of the remaining three individuals, nor whom among us weren't brought here by those creatures."


Then, speculation began as to who the 3 other roles were:

QUOTE (daganev @ Jul 24 2009, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Damn, 5 mafia? and 3 SKs?
Or more likely we have a SK, a survivor and a jester? (wait that doesn't make sense because Kira said she hates Jesters)
Or do we have a group of 5 mafia, and second group of 3 mafia? (I'm trying to figure out what "nor whom among us weren't brought here by those creatures." is supposed to mean?

Also, Casilu can you do that everyday? Because if you can, it might imply that there actually a cult and the numbers that are given change each time?


QUOTE (Othero @ Jul 24 2009, 01:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It is 5 Mafia, 14 town, and that leaves us with three. A SK and two person cult? A three person cult? A SK, Survivor, and a one person cult? I'd assume the line about people not being brought here would refer to either a SK or a cult. The two gods only wanted two sides. Any other factions would be brought in from a outside source.


Then quoting, Othero I hypothesized:

QUOTE (Zynna @ Jul 24 2009, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Would a bomb be considered a non-town role?


I mentioned bomb BECAUSE no one else had mentioned it, and I couldn't think of any other roles that wouldn't be scum/town that hadn't already been mentioned.

And for the record, I'm not a bomb.
Zynna2009-07-25 22:32:29
QUOTE (Xavius @ Jul 25 2009, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In less aggro news, my computer is going in to meet the Geek Squad soon, so I will be away for sometime between two hours and two months.


Good luck!
Unknown2009-07-25 22:37:21
QUOTE (Xavius @ Jul 25 2009, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In less aggro news, my computer is going in to meet the Geek Squad soon, so I will be away for sometime between two hours and two months.


Or forever. Geek Squad are minions of Satan!
Zynna2009-07-25 22:51:59
Oh, and also, I was not defending Dag himself. I WAS defending Dag's logic in why he voted for Llandros. It's a fine, but important, distinction.

From the active people, Xavius' beahvior seems the most scummy to me. He quickly turned and voted on Dag accusing him of bad logic, even for Day 1 logic, and he's continued to try and get votes on him for that. Which I just don't see. (I almost wonder if Llandros and Xavius are connected, but I haven't really gotten heavy scum vibes from Llandros yet).

That said, I am concerned about the large numbers of non-voters so far. I'm guessing it's partly due to the nice summer weekend, so hopefully we'll hear from more people on Monday.
Unknown2009-07-25 22:53:33
So I looked it up. I might be officially useless this game. I could of sworn bomb=Jester. Half of the stuff I said really doesn't make sense if a bomb and jester are not the same.
Dugan2009-07-25 23:35:52
QUOTE (Othero @ Jul 25 2009, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So I looked it up. I might be officially useless this game. I could of sworn bomb=Jester. Half of the stuff I said really doesn't make sense if a bomb and jester are not the same.


Nah, live ... learn and move on. the only people who are useless are the scum and lurkers.
Casilu2009-07-26 00:19:56
QUOTE (Othero @ Jul 25 2009, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So I looked it up. I might be officially useless this game. I could of sworn bomb=Jester. Half of the stuff I said really doesn't make sense if a bomb and jester are not the same.


You're just out of practice.
Aerotan2009-07-26 00:52:56
Speaking of out of it, I am become the Death. Please direct former Deschain inquiries to me, thank you.

Further, I didn't find Llandros' comment day one all THAT odd, which, considering that he generally seems scummy to me, even when he isn't, I'm willing to let it slip for now. I'll need to reread Dag's responses, since I apparently completely missed whatever was being talked about, and I also didn't get anything bad from the suggestion of the bomb, given that we were discussing possibilities for those mysterious three.
Daganev2009-07-26 05:00:24
@llandros : I havn't posted yet...

@arix: Wtf are you doing? Why are you giving the scum info that they don't need?

I'm glad to see more people are talking, but still, too many are silent.

@xavius: Why are your posts not making any sense? Zynna NEVER implied that she was a bomb. I don't see that implication anywhere. Though it seems I was wrong abot llandros, there was nothing wrong with my logic, especially for day 1. I'm not sure the same could be said about you however. Are you trying to getyourself lynched? Kira said she wouldn't play a game with a jester in it, I'm not sure why she would make a game with one.
Daganev2009-07-26 05:27:58
the more I think about this the more I can't find any rational explanation for Xavius's behavior if he is town.

vote Xavius