Desitrus2009-07-25 22:12:39
QUOTE (Ilyarin @ Jul 25 2009, 05:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks for the feedback. I'd actually been curious about this. Having read the AB file I was left uncertain.
I tried to get clarification from someone but no-one ever gave me a definitive answer. If you're saying that my interpretation is wrong, I will make the necessary adjustments.
I tried to get clarification from someone but no-one ever gave me a definitive answer. If you're saying that my interpretation is wrong, I will make the necessary adjustments.
Read the forums. I've only said it in about every single thread where maneuvers are mentioned. The AB file is a misconception, not wrong. It increases the chance of a wound by eliminating other wounds from the possibility, which in turn only works for "low" wounds because a low can not overwrite a high. For example, when you want to PINLEG which is heavy rather than TENDON which is critical for bm, you must have a maneuver that includes all leg wounds except tendon so that you will get any lower wounds but never overwrite a pinleg chance with a tendon.
Vathael2009-07-25 22:13:27
Yea if you have slitthroat and behead on the same maneuver you will always behead if you have the wounds for it. Since it is a swing you'll want a chest wound on there as well.
Unknown2009-07-25 22:13:42
Man, imagine that, 90% of the combatants up and leave New Celest, and then New Celest is full of people who don't know a lot about combat. What a shock! 
Casilu2009-07-25 22:13:58
QUOTE (Desitrus @ Jul 25 2009, 02:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@Casilu: Plate is no longer spec, it actually provides less protection than splendors + trueshield.
I remember hearing that, that sucks/makes very little sense.
Desitrus2009-07-25 22:16:04
QUOTE (Vathael @ Jul 25 2009, 05:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yea if you have slitthroat and behead on the same maneuver you will always behead if you have the wounds for it. Since it is a swing you'll want a chest wound on there as well.
And you make the roll for it. At 3850 wounds you still have a very high chance not to behead.
@allergic: I taught everyone who asked. Similarly, all the information needed is actually in the help files of the Paladin clan. Added to that are all the posts here and in combat regarding how wounds, maneuvers, and attack strategies work.
The problem is people have to want to get better. It takes hundreds of spars to get better. Most of those people are happy with mediocrity.
Ilyarin2009-07-25 22:16:18
QUOTE (Desitrus @ Jul 25 2009, 11:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Read the forums. I've only said it in about every single thread where maneuvers are mentioned. The AB file is a misconception, not wrong. It increases the chance of a wound by eliminating other wounds from the possibility, which in turn only works for "low" wounds because a low can not overwrite a high. For example, when you want to PINLEG which is heavy rather than TENDON which is critical for bm, you must have a maneuver that includes all leg wounds except tendon so that you will get any lower wounds but never overwrite a pinleg chance with a tendon.
Ah, great. Thank you.
Xenthos2009-07-25 22:17:27
QUOTE (Ilyarin @ Jul 25 2009, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I tried to get clarification from someone but no-one ever gave me a definitive answer. If you're saying that my interpretation is wrong, I will make the necessary adjustments.
Wait, what? I've answered this a huge number of times. All over these forums.
This is not definitive?
Ilyarin2009-07-25 22:18:29
I haven't been a ("serious") warrior long. Prior to that I rarely read posts about the mechanics of warrior combat because I abhorred it.
Vathael2009-07-25 22:24:46
I had a fight like this log just a second ago.
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--- v3869 ---
Great Rockholm Gate. (road). (lost)
Superimposed over this location, an ethereal forest reaches up to the sky. Shabinar Elestris is here. She wields a staghorn blade inlaid with a silvery rack of antlers in her left hand and a polished bull-horn blade in her right.
You see exits leading north and out (open door).
10717h, 3630m, 5280e, 10p, 29399en, 20400w elrx<>-
You move over to block the north exit.
10717h, 3630m, 5280e, 10p, 29394en, 20400w elrx<>-
wipe 10534
wipe 62782
envenom 10534 with mantakaya
envenom 62782 with mantakaya
maneuver perform pkd Eles lleg
maneuver perform pkd Eles lleg
Being careful not to poison yourself, you wipe off all the poisons from a hideous hammer of depraved steel.
10717h, 3630m, 5280e, 10p, 29394en, 20400w elrx<>-
Being careful not to poison yourself, you wipe off all the poisons from a hideous hammer of depraved steel.
10717h, 3630m, 5280e, 10p, 29394en, 20400w elrx<>-
You rub some mantakaya on a hideous hammer of depraved steel.
10717h, 3630m, 5280e, 10p, 29394en, 20400w elrx<>-
You rub some mantakaya on a hideous hammer of depraved steel.
10717h, 3630m, 5280e, 10p, 29394en, 20400w elrx<>-
You execute the Pkd maneuver: CRUSH ELES LLEG.
Focusing on her left leg, you strike at Elestris with a hideous hammer of depraved steel. With an elegant stroke, you crush her left leg, knocking her to the ground.
----- KNOCKDOWN PRONE KNOCKDOWN -----
Horror overcomes Elestris's face as her body stiffens into paralysis.
10717h, 3630m, 5280e, 8p, 29383en, 20400w elx<>-
You execute the Pkd maneuver: CRUSH ELES LLEG.
Focusing on her left leg, you strike at Elestris with a hideous hammer of depraved steel. You hit her left thigh for a minor bruise.
Horror overcomes Elestris's face as her body stiffens into paralysis.
10717h, 3630m, 5280e, 6p, 29371en, 20400w ex<>-
ql
Great Rockholm Gate. (road). (lost)
Superimposed over this location, an ethereal forest reaches up to the sky. A skeletal, white stallion with leathery wings stands firm here. Shabinar Elestris is here, sprawled on the floor. She wields a staghorn blade inlaid with a silvery rack of antlers in her left hand and a polished bull-horn blade in her right.
You see exits leading north and out (open door).
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 6p, 29371en, 20397w ex<>-
Shabinar Elestris says, "Right, In that case."
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 6p, 29371en, 20397w ex<>-
wipe 10534
wipe 62782
envenom 10534 with calcise
envenom 62782 with senso
maneuver perform plock Eles head
maneuver perform plock Eles head
There are no poisons on that item at present.
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 6p, 29371en, 20397w ex<>-
There are no poisons on that item at present.
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 6p, 29371en, 20397w ex<>-
You rub some calcise on a hideous hammer of depraved steel.
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 6p, 29371en, 20397w ex<>-
You rub some senso on a hideous hammer of depraved steel.
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 6p, 29371en, 20397w ex<>-
You execute the Plock maneuver: CRUSH ELES HEAD.
Your left arm is off balance.
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 6p, 29371en, 20397w ex<>-
You execute the Plock maneuver: CRUSH ELES HEAD.
Your left arm is off balance.
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 6p, 29371en, 20397w ex<>-
wipe 10534
wipe 62782
envenom 10534 with calcise
envenom 62782 with senso
maneuver perform plock Eles head
maneuver perform plock Eles head
You have recovered balance on your right arm.
You have recovered balance on your left arm.
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 6p, 29371en, 20397w elrx<>-
Being careful not to poison yourself, you wipe off all the poisons from a hideous hammer of depraved steel.
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 6p, 29371en, 20397w elrx<>-
Being careful not to poison yourself, you wipe off all the poisons from a hideous hammer of depraved steel.
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 6p, 29371en, 20397w elrx<>-
You rub some calcise on a hideous hammer of depraved steel.
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 6p, 29371en, 20397w elrx<>-
You rub some senso on a hideous hammer of depraved steel.
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 6p, 29371en, 20397w elrx<>-
You execute the Plock maneuver: CRUSH ELES HEAD.
Focusing on her head, you strike at Elestris with a hideous hammer of depraved steel. You crush her in the throat, crushing her windpipe.
----- WINDPIPE CRUSHED WINDPIPE -----
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 4p, 29360en, 20397w elx<>-
You execute the Plock maneuver: CRUSH ELES HEAD.
Focusing on her head, you strike at Elestris with a hideous hammer of depraved steel. Her head whips back from the force of your blow.
Elestris's body judders with the final strike, and a dull snap echoes out as something vital inside her is irrevocably broken. Her eyes roll up into her head and a lifeless corpse is all that falls.
You have slain Elestris.
Your karma falls in response to your deeds.
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 2p, 29348en, 20397w ex<>-
The soul of Elestris says, "HOLY CRAP!"
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 2p, 29368en, 20400w ex<>-
Great Rockholm Gate. (road). (lost)
Superimposed over this location, an ethereal forest reaches up to the sky. Shabinar Elestris is here. She wields a staghorn blade inlaid with a silvery rack of antlers in her left hand and a polished bull-horn blade in her right.
You see exits leading north and out (open door).
10717h, 3630m, 5280e, 10p, 29399en, 20400w elrx<>-
You move over to block the north exit.
10717h, 3630m, 5280e, 10p, 29394en, 20400w elrx<>-
wipe 10534
wipe 62782
envenom 10534 with mantakaya
envenom 62782 with mantakaya
maneuver perform pkd Eles lleg
maneuver perform pkd Eles lleg
Being careful not to poison yourself, you wipe off all the poisons from a hideous hammer of depraved steel.
10717h, 3630m, 5280e, 10p, 29394en, 20400w elrx<>-
Being careful not to poison yourself, you wipe off all the poisons from a hideous hammer of depraved steel.
10717h, 3630m, 5280e, 10p, 29394en, 20400w elrx<>-
You rub some mantakaya on a hideous hammer of depraved steel.
10717h, 3630m, 5280e, 10p, 29394en, 20400w elrx<>-
You rub some mantakaya on a hideous hammer of depraved steel.
10717h, 3630m, 5280e, 10p, 29394en, 20400w elrx<>-
You execute the Pkd maneuver: CRUSH ELES LLEG.
Focusing on her left leg, you strike at Elestris with a hideous hammer of depraved steel. With an elegant stroke, you crush her left leg, knocking her to the ground.
----- KNOCKDOWN PRONE KNOCKDOWN -----
Horror overcomes Elestris's face as her body stiffens into paralysis.
10717h, 3630m, 5280e, 8p, 29383en, 20400w elx<>-
You execute the Pkd maneuver: CRUSH ELES LLEG.
Focusing on her left leg, you strike at Elestris with a hideous hammer of depraved steel. You hit her left thigh for a minor bruise.
Horror overcomes Elestris's face as her body stiffens into paralysis.
10717h, 3630m, 5280e, 6p, 29371en, 20400w ex<>-
ql
Great Rockholm Gate. (road). (lost)
Superimposed over this location, an ethereal forest reaches up to the sky. A skeletal, white stallion with leathery wings stands firm here. Shabinar Elestris is here, sprawled on the floor. She wields a staghorn blade inlaid with a silvery rack of antlers in her left hand and a polished bull-horn blade in her right.
You see exits leading north and out (open door).
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 6p, 29371en, 20397w ex<>-
Shabinar Elestris says, "Right, In that case."
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 6p, 29371en, 20397w ex<>-
wipe 10534
wipe 62782
envenom 10534 with calcise
envenom 62782 with senso
maneuver perform plock Eles head
maneuver perform plock Eles head
There are no poisons on that item at present.
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 6p, 29371en, 20397w ex<>-
There are no poisons on that item at present.
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 6p, 29371en, 20397w ex<>-
You rub some calcise on a hideous hammer of depraved steel.
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 6p, 29371en, 20397w ex<>-
You rub some senso on a hideous hammer of depraved steel.
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 6p, 29371en, 20397w ex<>-
You execute the Plock maneuver: CRUSH ELES HEAD.
Your left arm is off balance.
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 6p, 29371en, 20397w ex<>-
You execute the Plock maneuver: CRUSH ELES HEAD.
Your left arm is off balance.
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 6p, 29371en, 20397w ex<>-
wipe 10534
wipe 62782
envenom 10534 with calcise
envenom 62782 with senso
maneuver perform plock Eles head
maneuver perform plock Eles head
You have recovered balance on your right arm.
You have recovered balance on your left arm.
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 6p, 29371en, 20397w elrx<>-
Being careful not to poison yourself, you wipe off all the poisons from a hideous hammer of depraved steel.
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 6p, 29371en, 20397w elrx<>-
Being careful not to poison yourself, you wipe off all the poisons from a hideous hammer of depraved steel.
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 6p, 29371en, 20397w elrx<>-
You rub some calcise on a hideous hammer of depraved steel.
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 6p, 29371en, 20397w elrx<>-
You rub some senso on a hideous hammer of depraved steel.
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 6p, 29371en, 20397w elrx<>-
You execute the Plock maneuver: CRUSH ELES HEAD.
Focusing on her head, you strike at Elestris with a hideous hammer of depraved steel. You crush her in the throat, crushing her windpipe.
----- WINDPIPE CRUSHED WINDPIPE -----
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 4p, 29360en, 20397w elx<>-
You execute the Plock maneuver: CRUSH ELES HEAD.
Focusing on her head, you strike at Elestris with a hideous hammer of depraved steel. Her head whips back from the force of your blow.
Elestris's body judders with the final strike, and a dull snap echoes out as something vital inside her is irrevocably broken. Her eyes roll up into her head and a lifeless corpse is all that falls.
You have slain Elestris.
Your karma falls in response to your deeds.
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 2p, 29348en, 20397w ex<>-
The soul of Elestris says, "HOLY CRAP!"
10717h, 3612m, 5280e, 2p, 29368en, 20400w ex<>-
Ilyarin2009-07-25 22:29:43
Okay. I'm sorry it wasn't up to some people's standards. I recorded it here for posterity, not to demean anyone or to try to stroke my own ego. I'm sorry if any of the better warrior players feel slighted by this log.
Some people enjoy reading logs, whatever the outcome. I wanted to put it up somewhere so that I could easily get back to it when I wanted, and had the time, to look over it.
That said, valuable feedback has still been given, which I appreciate.
Some people enjoy reading logs, whatever the outcome. I wanted to put it up somewhere so that I could easily get back to it when I wanted, and had the time, to look over it.
That said, valuable feedback has still been given, which I appreciate.
Ronny2009-07-25 22:33:38
I wouldn't envenom dendroxin on your upper body attacks since they are either a herb cure where your target can clear both afflictions in one balance or a regen cure like collapsenerve where they would apply and regain salve balance to apply mending before regen cured the affliction.
Unknown2009-07-26 06:30:30
Slightly off topic, but how do I script that, and where do I put it...? :/
Malarious2009-07-30 10:58:37
Just as a note, last I knew.... Applying health is same and doesnt change, even 'sip bonus' doesnt affect its apply level from what I have seen and checked.
Unknown2009-07-30 20:05:01
Yes, without trans discipline or a big enough hunk of health to find an opening in the stun/paralysis train, you will immediately die to Vathael and there is nothing you can do about it. Avoid at all costs.
Celina2009-07-30 21:42:37
You'll fight four Paladins but you ran from me alone.
Though, I think that says a lot about the state the Paladins are in right now. Hoo boy that log was....interesting.
Though, I think that says a lot about the state the Paladins are in right now. Hoo boy that log was....interesting.
Tervic2009-07-30 22:29:00
QUOTE (Ilyarin @ Jul 25 2009, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks for the feedback. I'd actually been curious about this. Having read the AB file I was left uncertain.
I tried to get clarification from someone but no-one ever gave me a definitive answer. If you're saying that my interpretation is wrong, I will make the necessary adjustments.
I tried to get clarification from someone but no-one ever gave me a definitive answer. If you're saying that my interpretation is wrong, I will make the necessary adjustments.
It's a Simple Question thread favorite. I think I or someone else answers a question on maneuvers at least once every two weeks.
Ilyarin2009-07-30 22:59:28
QUOTE (Celina @ Jul 30 2009, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You'll fight four Paladins but you ran from me alone.
Though, I think that says a lot about the state the Paladins are in right now. Hoo boy that log was....interesting.
Though, I think that says a lot about the state the Paladins are in right now. Hoo boy that log was....interesting.
In your demesne and lacking pennyroyal/kombu, yes.
Wouldn't mind fighting properly some time actually.Razenth2009-07-31 00:03:31
Druids, *shudder*. I'd take on Sidd in a heartbeat but I'd run away from a Blacktalon who even has half an idea what they're doing.
Vathael2009-07-31 00:14:14
Druids aren't -that- bad.
Razenth2009-07-31 00:24:34
Says you!
