oh god this has provided so many lulz to read. the commune players are so angry rl over a game its sad. i understand shaddus would be angry if it happened to him but the majority of magnagora or meaningful players there dont really care and just roll with it. id also like to say. please quit with the number argument. i cant even remember the last time i fought glom/seren and not been outnumbered.

If I had time and the lovely connection speed to search through old threads for complaints from him related to this event, I'd really do it. Alas, some people refuse to see reason and I'd only end up wasting my efforts.


Oh yah, because destroying/attacking/corrupting Fae and Maeve destroys Faethorn in the long run. The reason why Maeve, the collective 'consciousness' of the Fae was awakened was to ensure that the Ethereal Plane survives and aid the healing of Forests in Prime.

I'm going to bet that sooner or later, the communes will be pitted against each other to purify Maeve and make up their loss of power through her.

That requires us to actually care no? The communes got screwed over beause they thought they could keep Raziela bound forever while screwing over Celest and this came back to bite them. Celest has absolutely no reason to care about Serenwilde or Glomdoring after the, what, two-three times they've been stabbed in the back? Welcome to the world of Consequences.

Celest is probably the only org right now with a wide variety of choices - they can walk away, they can actively help Magnagora, they can help the communes. I can see pros and cons to every side, though some have more of one than the other. It'll be interesting to see how things play out for the remainder of the event!

Good luck trying to eradicate two out of four orgs.

I see some of you actually arguing points that really should be debated in the game. Arguing them over here is pointless and just detracts from the main point of this thread.

I'm just a bard without a combat system.... so.... what rhymes with 125k?

All we have to do is be patient, and the Law of Events will kick in and Celest won't be so smug anymore

You don't get it do you? Everything Celest did, they did for Raziela. As Eventru said, Celest can help Magnagora in their attack on Faethorn, they can help the forests or they can just sit back and throw a party to celebrate that Raziela isn't being tortured anymore. The communes can ask Celest for help, or Magnagora can ask Celest for help, but either way Celest is free to choose what to do and who to help.

Incidentally, Maeve was crying and hypocritical until the very end. It's felt kind of sad really, to see her proclaim again and again that the communes would help her, just for them to not really give a damn. Alas, poor scrappy.

I don't make the Laws, I just remind people of them

Eh, that wasn't pointed at you. I know that if nothing else, suddenly some angel is gonna pop up and say that Celest has to pay 500k power to fully heal Raziela. But we still get to choose how we're gonna get screwed over.

I'm amazed by your baseless assumptions, Kiradawea. Do you have access to Glomdoring or Serenwilde's communications? How, then, can you assume that we have not been doing anything? Celest is not the only ones with options here. Thanks to a recent development, more probable options were opened up for the communes.

It's not baseless, seeing that I visited Nif while Maeve was being bound. I even have a picture of it. Wanna see?

This isn't going to be like one of those post cards with a thong'd female behind on it is it? They were cool back in the 80's.

I think you missed his point. Simply, at this point Glomdoring at least has little information to go off of other than speculation (or if there is more known, then only a few of the Shadow Court are aware of it). As for helping Maeve I think you might've missed the posts where she's running around killing commune people. Simply put, we do not have the luxury of being spoon-fed details.

Of course, the point he was making was the fallacy of your claims that the communes aren't doing anything.

I'm trying to remember where from, but I think there was some mention that ethereal goes beyond just forests. Yes, it's concentrated within them and there are the ethereal reflections, but other places can be affected. Maeve is there to protect the forests from destruction by the soulless, bit funny isn't it, in all of lusternia the elders of the 6th and 7th circle created such a thing solely to protect the forest almost seems like they are important for some reason tbh I would be surprised if Eventru didn't begin to react to her corruption negatively though I don't know him as well as I could, just seems that way ya know Leader of the Healers meets poor weakened spirit who is crucial to the protection of the forests, he may not like the inhabitants but it's not just them that would be affected by the corruption.


Also @Kiradawea you are not understanding, I'm sorry but you just aren't. Even if you make the assumption that a Demon Lord helped a Supernal with no intention of backstabbing them or trying to gain as much as possible, there are other ways the situation on Ethereal can affect Celest. The taint shot down the connection created by the megalith, this is why all that was connected directly to it was affected. But even still, without any magical brands or anything, it still spilt over and corrupted parts of ethereal maybe we won't need something like that.

And if you think you can help faethorn after it's been destroyed then you really don't get it, unless you secretly have a gang of sixth and seventh circle gods strong enough to recreate the Maeve conciousness but even then, what would you be helping? Cause we've been given the impression for rl years that if Maeve goes... it's all gone and for it to destroy the forests it would have to destroy her. And well if we all get tainted then YAY 3 orgs against Celest with the only way for you to undo it being to save the forests because fixing ethereal means fixing them too.

ahaha, I keep getting eco geeky about this. Mainly because I'm now thinking if the corruption of ethereal happened irl. Every life sustaining forest just gone, dead and I can see humanity doing it if they thought they could have some personal gain from it not caring what happens next.


Also, Miakoda created a few questions for me on the nature of ethereal and why other natural environments are not represented.

It's not inconcievable that what the demon lord gets out of it is this advance into ethereal, and that Raziela would in the long term provide another enemy for the communes.

Really though, Raziela is one of the big 4 from Celest and the mythos I think. She's not going to stay bound up forever!

JELLO!

If the communes had figured out what was going on sooner than it had happened, it might have been different. Maeve getting killed and being kept dead was nothing new, so her absence in Faethorn wasn't treated especially suspect (some also speculated that Xion Initiative made it take longer for her to be raised).

We didn't really get any sort of hint from the situation as far as I know, apparent from Nocht being cryptic and saying "Something seems to be missing from the Faethorn", and "Where is the Maeve?", at which point we were still scrounging up essence to raise avatars and constantly embroiled in Faethorn fights. If he said any more than that, I missed it in spam.

Though, if you're making your point not on the basis of what the players could have done with what they knew, and are just forum RPing instead - disregard my post.