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Ilyarin2009-08-13 08:33:38
No. Esteem has an equivalent essence value of 13107 gold. That doesn't mean it's worth 13107 gold though!

I mean, who actually offers gold?
Zallafar2009-08-13 09:02:06
QUOTE (Ilyarin @ Aug 13 2009, 01:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No. Esteem has an equivalent essence value of 13107 gold. That doesn't mean it's worth 13107 gold though!

I mean, who actually offers gold?

Let's bump the price of esteem up to 14K and then they will!
Unknown2009-08-13 09:27:23
Hey, I'm up for raising esteem prices. Lets do it smile.gif
Unknown2009-08-13 10:37:58
You can sure try to sell it for that!
Unknown2009-08-13 10:55:37
Esteem was originally priced 10k-13k. The drooping of the prices began when new influencers came along, and supply vs demand pulled down the prices.
Moiraine2009-08-13 11:12:12
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Um. Hey, influencers. GTFO. I gotta go talk to some monks.
Unknown2009-08-13 15:25:36
I love it when topics diverge-you learn so much more ^^

Now, speaking of essence and Influencing and whatnot.

If we're saying that gold is worth five essence, than would it be more profitable to offer a lot of gold, or to just Influence until you have 100% esteem?
Tervic2009-08-13 19:47:43
QUOTE (ShadyIndigo @ Aug 13 2009, 08:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I love it when topics diverge-you learn so much more ^^

Now, speaking of essence and Influencing and whatnot.

If we're saying that gold is worth five essence, than would it be more profitable to offer a lot of gold, or to just Influence until you have 100% esteem?



That depends. How fast can you make gold? How fast can you make esteem? Convert to units of essence per minute, do teh maths and I'm sure you'll have your answer.
Moiraine2009-08-13 19:51:16
Doesn't matter, really. If you go out and bash stuff, you wind up with experience, gold, and corpses for offering. If you go out and influence stuff, you wind up with experience, gold, and esteem for offering. I'm betting that the two options are roughly equivalent reward-wise.

Tervic2009-08-13 21:50:31
QUOTE (Moiraine @ Aug 13 2009, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Doesn't matter, really. If you go out and bash stuff, you wind up with experience, gold, and corpses for offering. If you go out and influence stuff, you wind up with experience, gold, and esteem for offering. I'm betting that the two options are roughly equivalent reward-wise.



You only get gold if you beg.
Damadreas2009-08-13 22:04:04


On the subject of influencing and essence and esteem as we are. You said you have low health, influencing could possibly be an option and decent gold intake especially if you hit the right areas.

Lucidian's in Ar'thrart Observatory
Tosha Monastery Monks
Kephera/Illithoid if you have a method to get to them.

Just use supplication and begging, they'll give you gold and they are hunted for sure, but it's much easier to find these then it is Aslaran's/Krokani.

As a lucidian obviously this would be difficult, as such I'd highly suggest human(which you'll see a jump in experience gain either way) or another race with atleast somewhat higher charisma. It should be easy enough to influence at least til 80 or so where hunting starts to become a better option in some peoples opinion either way.
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Kelysa2009-08-13 22:39:56
I used to sell esteem for almost that much before people I hate started in on the influencing thing. :/
Moiraine2009-08-13 22:44:03
QUOTE (Tervic @ Aug 13 2009, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You only get gold if you beg.


And why wouldn't you beg, unless you're empowering on Cosmic or something? There's only one personality type that you can't beg from.

Besides, you can stock esteem in a shop (Enlightened Design, Celest, cheapest I've seen! /cheapplug) and make gold which, for me at the price I sell, makes influencing worth about forty gold per mob influenced, with the gold from begging adding to that from time to time.
Unknown2009-08-13 23:22:00
QUOTE (Ilyarin @ Aug 13 2009, 04:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No. Esteem has an equivalent essence value of 13107 gold. That doesn't mean it's worth 13107 gold though!

I mean, who actually offers gold?

You're right! It's worth more! You can't sanctify or defile with gold!
Zallafar2009-08-14 00:54:29
QUOTE (Moiraine @ Aug 13 2009, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And why wouldn't you beg, unless you're empowering on Cosmic or something? There's only one personality type that you can't beg from.

People like to influence guards because there are so many in a single location. You can't beg from them even though their personality is a normally beggable one. Their pay is to low for them to consider it.
Unknown2009-08-14 01:00:12
QUOTE (Moiraine @ Aug 13 2009, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And why wouldn't you beg, unless you're empowering on Cosmic or something? There's only one personality type that you can't beg from.


Because on higher level mobs, you can cut a LOT of time by influencing using the influence type they are weak against. This isn't always charity. This makes a difference if you want to stock as much esteem as possible, or if you are on the road to demigod. If you insist on always using charity, I can promise you you'll take 20-30% or so longer to build the same amount as exp as you would otherwise.
Moiraine2009-08-14 01:18:14
QUOTE (Vendetta Morendo @ Aug 14 2009, 01:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Because on higher level mobs, you can cut a LOT of time by influencing using the influence type they are weak against. This isn't always charity. This makes a difference if you want to stock as much esteem as possible, or if you are on the road to demigod. If you insist on always using charity, I can promise you you'll take 20-30% or so longer to build the same amount as exp as you would otherwise.


Are you sure? There's two or three in the normal round of about ten very high level mobs I influence that aren't weak to begging, and it doesn't seem to take more than one or two more attempts, just a few seconds' extra. The main difference seems to be that they drain more ego.

Edit: To be fair, I'm pretty darn naturally advantaged. Tahtetso have a lot of potential influencing help from Harmony and a little from Psymet, I'm Faeling now, I'm always performing vagabond and I'm trans Influence now. So maybe I just don't notice as much of a difference as others will. I dunno.
Unknown2009-08-14 01:51:41
QUOTE (Moiraine @ Aug 13 2009, 08:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Are you sure? There's two or three in the normal round of about ten very high level mobs I influence that aren't weak to begging, and it doesn't seem to take more than one or two more attempts, just a few seconds' extra. The main difference seems to be that they drain more ego.

Edit: To be fair, I'm pretty darn naturally advantaged. Tahtetso have a lot of potential influencing help from Harmony and a little from Psymet, I'm Faeling now, I'm always performing vagabond and I'm trans Influence now. So maybe I just don't notice as much of a difference as others will. I dunno.


If you take 7-8 seconds to successfully influence with a brave denizen with charity compared to 5 seconds with empower, it will make a difference.

Let's say that if you influence 3 of that denizen, you get 0.01%. Totally reasonable to expect at 90+ in levels.

Let's be generous and go with 7 seconds instead of 8.

You will need to influence 30000 of those denizens to gain a level.

30000 * 7 = 210000 / 60 = 3500 / 60 = 58.3 hours

30000 * 5 = 150000 / 60 = 2500 / 60 = 41.6 hours

16.7% longer to achieve the same goal.

That's a fair number of raw hours of non-stop influencing, not including travel time or dealing with anyone else competing with the mobs you want to influence. This is also conservative, since those few seconds would amount to a difference of just one influence attack for someone with very high CHA.

I've come across more than a few denizens that take up to a difference of 3 influence attacks depending on influence type, as a demi with influencing runes, charismaticaura, and 20+ CHA.

It only gets worse once you aren't top tier race/guild type.