This has become your average cosmic vs ethereal-forest-that-isn't-faethorn-okay-maybe-faethorn-too thread. Therein, as this has drifted far from the original intent (a discussion on the idea of MD/SD being able to move daughters), I'm locking the thread. I'll leave it here so we can reference it later for when the idea comes up for discussion! Your points have all been clearly heard - on all sides of the bench.