Maybe who is scum and who is not has to do with that characters starting location or something? I don't know much about it just a question. Noticed that one place was destroyed while everything else seemed to be pretty normal.

It could be lots of things, but we aren't going to know until we first find somebody.
Which means, instead of trying to rely on non-mafia related flavor and rules, we should focus on Mafia ways of finding scum.

And currently, I find Shiri to be someone who is saying and suggesting things that he should know are bad ideas, and pretending they are good ones.

The shrine was destroyed per the storyline in the sign-up thread.

Daganev, you haven't continued the card battle!

yes, I did... What did I do wrong?

I thought you did as well.

As for the Chen thing, it's just an inside joke, Daganev. Chen is like Xiran's trademark character, she's even her avatar and in her signature.

Shiri and Daganev begin a fierce danmaku battle, their casting glyphs glowing brightly and each straining to gain an edge over the other. Finally, Shiri manages to corner Daganev and lets loose a barrage that hits him dead center in the chest. The spell circles fade and Daganev falls away to the ground, soundly defeated.

Daganev is now roleblocked until Sunset.

Not really sure what Dag's role is, I know that character and wouldn't expect her to be scum.

So, there's our emissary from the Scarlet Devil Mansion.

The ability to control time certainly sounds useful.

Upon further thought, Sakuya (Daganev) is probably the emissary, possibly with Patchouli being out here too. Remilia and Flandre can't come outside during the day because they're vampires.

However, while we've confirmed four people, we don't have any actual scum yet. We could lynch Othero to confirm him, but that is only slightly better than no-lynch.

To clarify, they could come out here with like, parasols, so who knows.

Hmmm. Ok, Sakuya is not on my list of potential scum given my as-yet primitive understanding of the setup. I guess we can revise this later. Her role could also be interpreted as anything or nothing so despite Daganev's scummy attitude I'll avoid speculating on it right now.

I'm gonna unvote for now. Vote: Allergic. Still no posts. We're several RL days in now and with almost no votes, let's get some action over here.

Also looking at Kiradawea for being sooo sure we can't figure anything out from knowing all the names in the game confirmed, which is exactly the kind of thing the scum would be anxious to get us to believe. Your second scenario is not only out there on its own merits, Kira, but completely impractical too because they would probably get roleblocked after a while.

I don't agree with this.

1. It just seems very unlikely that names and roles will be obviously related in a game where names can be confirmed so hilariously easily. I see nothing wrong with Kira's train of thought.

2. It's also highly likely that scum would be trying to convince us that names and roles are obviously related SINCE (as has been mentioned) it is likely that 'obviously good' characters can be scum. That is, since there are no obviously evil characters in Touhou... scum can be 'obviously good' just as it can be anyone else. As such, I think it's fairly viable to assume that scum could be trying to lead us towards good characters = not scum (with scum being good characters themselves).

It's not unlikely. Sometimes setups just aren't thought through all the way! Remember how screwed the scum were in Smash Bros. (which was Kiradawea's game so she should really be familiar with this if she didn't have an interest in covering up the idea)? Again, note the changes made to the setup after signups, and then after the thread started. Kiradawea is obviously reaching for a way out-there explanation for why this would happen, and it's hard to see that it's a legitimate idea to make it out to be more likely, though bringing up the possibility as a "just in case" fine. It's the town's responsibility to take advantage of any mechanics they can to figure out the scum in a game like this, and it's in the scum's interest to dissuade them from using the effective ones.


There are a couple of main scenarios here.
1. The obviously evil characters are all together. I don't think this is likely, particularly because one of them is from the palace of the earth spirits and Ran sent an envoy there in the signup thread. Discarding this for now.
2. The scum have a common theme. Maybe it's people who could be related to Mima, or people from the ancient games that didn't make it to the modern ones (Mima is one of these.) Maybe it's, uh, being from the Scarlet Devil Mansion or something (I suspect this is not the case though.) Maybe it's from being in none of the above groups.
3. The scum are completely randomly arranged. Sakuya, Chen and Mokou could be the mafia and everyone else is town.

Now think about whose interests it's in to try and force 3 as an interpretation, and just how likely it is compared to 2.

Also we still have almost no votes, so unless you guys have a better idea about who's scum let's remove an inactive.

But see, here's the thing: if it IS scenario 3, then it is in scum's best interest to force 2 as an interpretation. Until we actually lynch a scum, we have no way of knowing if it's one or the other. But to argue that scum must have a common theme seems just as scummy to me as arguing that scum are randomly arranged.

The likelihood of that is so much less though, and in any event it wouldn't actually help them much because they wouldn't be able to figure out town power roles either if abilities and allegiance were completely divorced from flavour. More importantly, shouldn't you be checking your own roles for consistency? Mine makes sense at least. I can't imagine that I'm the only one.

Yes, you! *votes shiri* for emphasis.

Besides, lynching Shiri will give us a good idea if scum can be figured out by role name alone or not.

In that case you'd make a better lynch because of the scummy behaviour all through the thread. But I think we should already be coming to that conclusion if your role is divorced from your flavour, in which case tell us now and we can get on with it and then lynch the people with non-fitting claims tomorrow when it turns out townies do work like that.

If your role ISN'T divorced from your flavour, your reasoning is terrible and we should go for an inactive, which A) should have the same confirmation effect, and gets an inactive out of the way (remember last game guys!?)

You mean the one where you won by convincing people to lynch the investigators?

That didn't have anything to do with it since they were all useless...I won because we didn't lynch the inactives and then they couldn't vote me out.

This thing is striking me as really desperate. I'm thinking you're trying to get me out of the way quickly so there's less people likely to call you out on stuff (which also explains why you went after me so fast, although it doesn't explain why I wasn't just nightkilled...I guess we'll find out more about that later.)