Shiri, there have been 3 or 4 people now who have pointed out that your logic is crap. I find it hilarious that you just keep going with it as if nobody pointed out the numerous scummy flaws in it.

3 or 4 people is a pretty convenient number to be disagreeing with the case that in a 20-person game where we can confirm flavour, and roles are tied to flavour, we have a much better than average chance of confirming roles, you're right.

I did not say his 'logic was crap', I said that I had doubts about the particular plan of action and pointed out some of its flaws.

However, I'm finding a random, totally isolated rofl-emoticon to be so very Daganev-Shiri-conflict-esque that I'm looking at Daganev just as much as Shiri for signs of scumminess.

Anyone want to give me their thoughts on the possibility of them both being scum? They are both talkative intelligent players. They know that usually places them up on the block at one point and Dag almost always is considered sort of scummy. This whole argument seems a little silly and seems like a attempt to distance each other in case one gets put up on the chopping block and is found scum.

When we've both been town before we've figured it out quickly and put it aside. Not that it means much coming from me, but any way you look at it we're not on the same scum team, either. I guess from your perspective one of us could be an SK, but Chen and Sakuya both have allegiances so for either or both to be loners is also unlikely. I doubt there are two straight up mafia scum groups because there were zero kills last night.

Also, vote, either one of us or Allergic would be favourite.

Eh, why is Allergic scummy?

Because he hasn't posted a single time in the thread.

Flawgical strike!

Again, this doesn't make sense. Yes, it would not be of much use to scum if roles and flavour were not related directly but... so what? They can't help how the game was designed. If roles and flavour are divorced, then they would try to convince us that the likelihood of flavour not affecting roles is FAR too low to even consider as a possibility. That's it. There's no 'it wouldn't help them much' because they can't help how the game was designed.

Othero's point holds merit, too. HOWEVER, I'm willing to bet that Shiri is scum (or at least non-town) and Daganev is free and clear. Maybe. Othero's point is too meriticious to not also be suspicious of Daganev.

???

The fact they can't help the way the game is designed (and we should take advantage of that) is MY point, I don't know what you're trying to do by coopting it and then getting confused about what that entails there.

The reason the fact it wouldn't be of much use is important is that pushing that agenda so strongly doesn't help much for them because, in that (very likely false, despite how much you and Daganev are pushing it) scenario, they don't actually find anything out about the town power roles.

Anyway, I can see this is going to move very slowly, and town doesn't lose much by doing this since I'm already outed, so can I get a bail out here, Ran? Maybe with some actual proof of role-flavour correlation we can start looking more closely at the people trying to push the agenda that it isn't the case (or, if we must, an inactive.)

1. It does help them because they can then use spell card challenges to point out to everyone that they're 'obviously good' characters. Maybe I'm just being a newb, but I would think that scum would do what they can to look like 'obviously town' by exploiting the flavour-alignment relation (if they can). TO RECAP: It is just as likely as any other possibility that flavour-alignment are not related in any significant manner. If this is the case, then scum would be trying their hardest to convince us that flavour-alignment are closely related because it would set them free of scummy suspicions (as they can then challenge others and 'risk' being roleblocked until sunset to point out how obviously town they are).

2. I'm not 100% sure what Daganev's arguing, so please don't put me in the same boat as him. Think of me as more Kira-esque.

It's not "just as likely." Just because there are two scenarios doesn't mean it's a coinflip as to which is the case! I have evidence to suggest that there is correlation (i.e my role, which correlates). If you don't that is a sign of suspicion! Besides, it's easily confirmable...people just need to get off their arses and do so.

You and Daganev are aligning way too much for me to dare ignoring the connection. If you or Daganev turn up scum Kira is another obvious target too, but since I believe there is a correlation Daganev is just playing badly. The main reason I'm not suggesting you as a target is that it's simpler to waste an AWOL today and have you checked with a spellcard tomorrow!

And by easily confirmable I mean lynch someone.

For Allergic I'd almost rather wait and see if he will just get a replacement. At this point no post is more of a sign he can't play for some reason. If we are going to go for a lurker I'd rather Unvote Vote: Surella

Um, Serella. Sorry.

Well, ok.

Tek, can we get a modprod on Aliod/Allergic? I know Serella's been around so that one is legit lurkiness but I have no idea about the other two.

Unvote Vote: Serella pending decision.

Just makes sense to me. Two meh posts is legit lurking. Going for someone who hasn't even shown up will probably just get us stalled as we wait for them to show up and defend.

Alright then Vote Serella

Sure. Vote Serella for now.

I'm not sure why we all got hung up about whether role correlates with power.

...Alianna, your avatar is awful.

I agree with Othero's logic, lynching someone with few posts is better than lynching someone who seems to have forgotten about the game.

Agree with that, though I'm of the opinion that both Shiri and Daganev are town in this case. It's very unlikely that Chen, as Ran's shikigami, is some kind of antagonist given the signup intro, and I have no reason to suspect Sakuya either.

Modprod would be good, agree with the lurking comments regarding no posts versus few posts. Vote: Serella