Touhou Mafia

by Tekora

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Arix2009-09-04 03:11:57
You were the one who brought it up as an option, I might add
Unknown2009-09-04 03:15:20
QUOTE (Lorick @ Sep 3 2009, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We don't, for sure. We have had some roles (Scum, Othero) that have a sort of goal outlined for them though, and we are getting status reports on each location. The card battle mechanic would make it extremely hard to hide yourself if you were a truely evil character, so there must be some draw back or some purpose to blocking day actions.


Ok, at this point I think people are dense about my role. I WIN WITH THE TOWN. I HAVE SAID THIS. I also have a rival who I can kill in a card battle but THAT IS NOT MY WIN CONDITION.
Lorick2009-09-04 03:16:42
Riiight, gah, he was voting for me to and I'm defending him.. I'm just saying that Othero, Llandros, and Dag so far haven't seemed obviously "scum", erratic in Dag's case, but Othero was fairly confident in placing himself out there in a card battle, getting his role out, and then relating his immunity, which could be bs and bit him in the arse if his rival ever decided to card battle him to see if he died, but I don't feel like his past behavior has been at a larger suspect than Kira's, least for me.
Lorick2009-09-04 03:17:01
Erm, correction, Dag was. Sorry, you two get a little mingled in my mind.
Unknown2009-09-04 03:17:50
QUOTE (Lorick @ Sep 3 2009, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think Daganev is just in a "Lets lynch L's" mood today. I haven't really heard anything from Vendetta, so it's worth a prod anyways. Vendetta?


Can't say I know very well how to approach this. My experience with these sorts of games is fairly minimal, though I am familiar with the lore and characters of the world in question.

There are a lot of potential townies, but there are also a lot of people who probably have side agendas. Revealing identities as swiftly as possible will only be useful if we reveal the right people, and given the scope of the town, I think there is a vested interest in protecting area leaders when possible. It's too soon for town to reveal most of its hand on the hope that they'll find one scum, but at the same time, I don't really see a good place to start.

Going to think a little more about this. And yes, it will take me a long time to post.
Lorick2009-09-04 03:50:12
Well, I'll leave my vote as is for now and see how it goes later. Time to get some sleep for me.
Unknown2009-09-04 05:08:17
Unvote Vote: Othero I'll gladly be lynched today to prove that I'm telling the truth.
Unknown2009-09-04 10:42:21
Keeping my vote where it is because no one else really stands out for me. Othero looks like he's telling the truth, and if he can revive himself and is actually town (which I am inclined to think), we're going to be worse off on Day 2.

QUOTE (Shiri)
If we're unwilling to lynch Kiradawea, I think the next best option from a scumminess perspective is now Vendetta (replacing Synl remember.)


Explain or point me back to the relevant post? Why was Synl scummy?
Unknown2009-09-04 16:09:16
QUOTE (Silferras @ Sep 4 2009, 05:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Explain or point me back to the relevant post? Why was Synl scummy?


I don't think it's a specific post so much as a consistent argument that we can't rely on roleclaims and revelations to be helpful since someone who appears to be town via role could actually be scum.

My view: it's more likely that the majority of roles will clearly mark someone as town or scum once revealed. The problem is that revealing the wrong people too soon might spell bad news for us. Tekora already hinted at in the sign up that at least in Mima's case, "defeating her wouldn't do any good". There might be a specific condition that has to be met and protected to do that at all (or easily). Hakugyokorou is mentioned in the same instance, which leads me to believe the fall or corruption of that location by scum will make it that much more difficult to eliminate scum (though maybe it won't, and the mention of it is just to emphasize that Mima has a degree of immortality).

It's day 1, we already have a very good possibility for the leader of Hakugyokorou revealed, and they're already withdrawing from activity. See where the risk is here?

Let's think good and hard before pushing for anyone to reveal who they are while it's still day 1 yet. So far we have:

Llandros = Yuyuko (SP)
Othero = Mokou (SP)
Shiri = Chen (SP)
Solanis = Ran (RC)
Daganev = Sakuya (SP)
Serella = Remilia (RC)
Celina = Flandre

(SP) = revealed by spellcard, (RC) = revealed by roleclaim, Celina is revealed through Serella's roleclaim by proxy.

And if Kiradawea is town, I think there's only two potential identities she could have with what information she's given. We could check that over time.

Othero's role is clear and he's quite confident in allowing his lynch to continue if necessary, since it won't do anything. I don't think it would be a useful move for that reason.

What are the vote count totals again? blackeye.gif
Kiradawea2009-09-04 16:41:07
Hmm. I'm starting to think. Maybe people have different goals for the various locations? I mean, the Hakurei shrine is already destroyed as a location, but it's still listed. And remember that I told you Mima has to kill Reimu in person? Maybe Mima has to do something special to each location or the individuals behind them?
Kiradawea2009-09-04 16:51:26
Clever kid aren't you V? But no, I'm neither. tongue.gif

Or, at least I think I am. Eh. It's most likely not the time for me to reveal who I am yet. I'll reveal me if it'll stop someone else from revealing her name, but I still maintain that massclaims will be bad.
Unknown2009-09-04 17:17:59
QUOTE (Kiradawea @ Sep 4 2009, 11:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmm. I'm starting to think. Maybe people have different goals for the various locations? I mean, the Hakurei shrine is already destroyed as a location, but it's still listed. And remember that I told you Mima has to kill Reimu in person? Maybe Mima has to do something special to each location or the individuals behind them?


Either that, or Yuka. Who knows what other places might conveniently be in the way of her blossoming flowers?

It might also be worthy to note now that we don't have a status on the Palace of the Earth Spirits, even though we know Yukari sent for representatives from this location. I suspect this might be because whatever role comes from the Palace is a potentially powerful one in helping us find scum, to balance out the irrelevance of the location itself, and we should try not to reveal who this person is too soon. This is complicated by the fact that the role in question might also use spell cards that aren't their own.

If you like, Kira, I can start drawing conjectures on who you are right now from what little we know, but seeing how many we've revealed so far in day 1 already, I'd rather respect your anonymity for the time being too.
Kiradawea2009-09-04 17:26:48
If it becomes time to claim, I think it's best that I'm just asked outright. Maybe there's information in your role that you're taking for granted in your study of who I am. But thanks. I really prefer keeping my anonymity.

As for the Palace of the Earth Spirits, it might just be that the location was cut from the game. Remember, there were initially five more roles so it could be they were meant to represent the Palace.

Which opens up a whole new can of worms. Since those five characters are apparently being killed of day by day for plot purposes, would that mean we eventually get to see if there was supposed to be a scum from the palace?
Unknown2009-09-04 17:36:20
QUOTE (Kiradawea @ Sep 4 2009, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If it becomes time to claim, I think it's best that I'm just asked outright. Maybe there's information in your role that you're taking for granted in your study of who I am. But thanks. I really prefer keeping my anonymity.


Not really. I am kind of out in left field, and all my information stems from what I know about the games as well as what's in the prologue.

QUOTE
As for the Palace of the Earth Spirits, it might just be that the location was cut from the game. Remember, there were initially five more roles so it could be they were meant to represent the Palace.


Eh, I guess that's possible too. I suspect it's more likely Tekora would cut roles from each location as opposed to entirely eliminate a location, but if he doesn't want to reveal this sort of information to us then we shouldn't make assumptions either way.

QUOTE
Which opens up a whole new can of worms. Since those five characters are apparently being killed of day by day for plot purposes, would that mean we eventually get to see if there was supposed to be a scum from the palace?


Only time will tell.
Tekora2009-09-04 22:20:04
=Your every 5'th page votecount update!=

Othero: 4 (Zynna, Llandros, Shiri, Othero)
Shiri: 1 (Kiradawea)
Serella: 1 (Solanis)
Kiradawea: 2 (Silferras, Lorick)
Lorick: 1 (Daganev)
Llandros: 1 (AllergictoSabres)

With 18 alive and present, it's 10 to lynch.
Lorick2009-09-04 22:37:51
We have like.. 10 people voting and 8 who aren't. If they aren't active, we might need more replacements otherwise this game will never go anywhere.
Unknown2009-09-04 22:51:20
Just don't see anyone coming up with a reason to really vote for anyone and we seem to be going in circles. Lynching othero would be silly I mean if he is willing to lynch himself he is obviously gonna rezz himself. And like I said in a previous post, that won't get us anywhere but one less towny after night ze~
Lorick2009-09-04 22:56:33
Well, who would you vote for Zetsu?
Furien2009-09-04 23:42:21
Vote: Othero

Willing to go with confirming this stuff.
Daganev2009-09-05 00:07:12
QUOTE (Kiradawea @ Sep 4 2009, 10:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As for the Palace of the Earth Spirits, it might just be that the location was cut from the game. Remember, there were initially five more roles so it could be they were meant to represent the Palace.


Why would you even guess something like this, when we allready saw one of NPC's who was not from the Palace of the Earth Spirits. Looks like she was from the Magic Forest, which is another place not mentioned.


QUOTE (Kiradawea @ Sep 4 2009, 09:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmm. I'm starting to think. Maybe people have different goals for the various locations? I mean, the Hakurei shrine is already destroyed as a location, but it's still listed.



I have no special win conditions, I just win with the town. I imagine everyone else who wins with the town has the same information. So why would you even suggest this?