*frown* I also find the suggestion of other win conditions based on location to be odd. Vote: Kiradawea

Dunno I think lorick or Llandros are kind of suspicious. (sorry for the spelling am kinda drunk). Its just some thoughts in my head though and not something I want really post about yet. Like I said voting for othero is stupid just for confirming purposes. Its wastes a townie lynch day and when day 2 comes around one of us will be dead ze~

Nice catch there, Daganev. Definitely keeping my vote on Kiradawea here, because even though I have an affiliation, my role clearly says that I win with the town.

Llandros seems to have gone AWOL, so: Serella, any special win condition? If not I'm gonna vote Kira.

Unvote Vote: Kiradawea I've been finding this whole special win conditions thing weird and wasn't sure why it keeps getting suggested. I'm willing to put more pressure on Kira to see what she knows about them.



Uhhh, really? Didn't you originally suggest scum might have specific things that they have to do with the locations? How is you suggesting it not fishy but Kira suggesting it fishy?

...what? I have no idea what you just said. Supposed townies having different win conditions based on location and scum having nonstandard win conditions are different things, dude. I have the standard "town" line, because I don't come from any of those places, but I'm doublechecking Serella doesn't also have anything different. I'm thinking she doesn't but if there's anything like, I don't know, "wins with the town or when Flandre is dead" (ok it won't be that but you get the idea) or a traditional rival mechanic that doesn't get you screwed by revealing it, it can't hurt to ask. If Serella has something unusual, Kira's suggestion is not so off.

Hm, actually, now I read Kira's post again, you could interpret it either as saying the townies have different goals (probable scum alert!), or "the scum have different things they need to do with each area." Which isn't scummy so why did people vote for her because of that? Or at least, if you're voting her for that I don't see why you would be confused by me taking the second interpretation, since logically you ought to have as well.

first interpretation*

(I just got up)

Hmm, issue with Kira is she is vague, she just says people might have different goals with the places. Which could be a probe, seeing if scum can find out if town has a special condition too.

Which is all well and good, but if that's what you thought she could have meant, why were you all surprised I was going to vote for her if Serella didn't have anything like that?

Well, it wasn't. I was assuming she was saying the same thing as you that the mafia has special tasks they need to do with the locations. However, I had been considering that idea to be a bit random and unfounded, nothing was really pointing to that outside of random speculation. But, if a train was building on Kira I was willing to vote to pressure and see if she had info on it. However, your new interpretation actually seems like the better reason to vote.

Ok, well...we have tonnes of people so I'm sure it can't hurt for me to unvote vote: kiradawea. Willing to change back based on feedback from Serella.

Geez. Let me spell it out for you huh?

There's been discussion if scum has to destroy the locations to win, or if the locations are destroyed as everyone/the leaders are eliminated.

The Hakurei shrine has already been destroyed by Yuka, but people from that location is still alive (Reimu, at least).

We know Mima wants to kill Reimu personally. (yes we do. I know. I've told that to all of you. If you choose to ignore that, then that is your choice, not my fault)

Thus, Mima's goal for the Hakurei shrine is to kill Reimu personally (It is not an outlandish idea).

Knowing that, is it too unreasonable to think that Mima wants to enslave the Human village, make Flandre her second in command and suck all the life-force from the rabbits in Eientei and the Bamboo forest? (Yes. These are just random guesses.)

This makes it so that Mima has different "goals" for each area, something unique that she has to do. Either to people from the areas, or directly to the areas. That was what I meant.

Meh... I'm too tired. I'll get back to this later, but I'm too sick right now.

Have a nice weekend people, see you Monday or Tuesday

This whole goals thing is making me a bit confused... there's nothing about that in my role at least, just 'You win with the town.' I guess the win condition for mafia could be eliminating all the leaders, but that seems a bit odd and if no one has a line like that, the win condition is probably normal. Kiradawea's ideas seem a little misleading.

I'm not sure how many votes Kiradawea has on her now, so I think I'll wait for a vote count first. (Too lazy to figure it out myself >>)

Now that Kiradawea has explained herself better, I have reason to believe that she is telling the truth/ is correct. I would suggest not voting for her.

unvote Vote: Othero again on the premise that we have further reason to believe Daganev is right and can go for him if he's wrong.

So are we just going to waste today's lynch on me?

I would prefer if we didn't ze~

Well, if it's between a lynch that could either be a waste or not, or revealing yet more roles (but not being able to confirm them today) I think most people would prefer the former, right? With Daganev confirming Kiradawea no one has claimed who doesn't have at least a semi-plausible alibi. I am confident that Serella is at least mostly telling the truth, Daganev probably is if my premise about the game is right, if he is Kiradawea hopefully is, Solanis and I are, Llandros is waffling but his role is a known factor, Celina is accounted for...leaving Othero, who if he's telling the truth at least doesn't get a townie killed.

Any more than that is already starting to approach the worse half of mass claim territory and even I don't want that on day 1 because the whole reason it's useful in this game is that it's confirmable, and we've already used up today's shot at that.