Secondly, no I don't think Vendetta is Mima. Remember that Lorick said he blocked Salvation last night and would probably be blocking him again (Vendetta replaced Salvation). I think that's what happened because, as has been said, otherwise it'll be too easy.

Reading over, Vendetta never claimed to be a survivor. The claim was "having survivorish powers", that is, having a chance to avoid negative actions taken against her. This was misunderstood to mean that V was survivor (the role), but he quickly claimed that he was in truth town. In fact, beyond Renthur's fakeclaim we haven't had any real survivor claims that I can see. And only one who claimed to not be from any of the locations, Lorick, but that wasn't quite true no?

Anyway, going for survivors (bear in mind I'm talking real survivors here, not scumvivors) is a bad idea. Remember, we have to lynch one of Mima's followers in order to stop her, so I'm thinking lynching a survivor will give the same effect as lynching a townie. Meaning, something bad.

Uh, I'm not sure where you're coming from. Lorick isn't under suspicion and his claim reinforces the speculation that scum are not from the stated locations, Vendetta is nowhere to be found and can't be lynched even if we wanted to.. So the question is, why are you defending her?

That post was written directly after my other post, during which I was just reading through the thread and trying to regather my thoughts after being out of comission for so long. Thus I was clarifying a few misconceptions I saw at the beginning of twilight (Vendetta is survivor, there are other survivors). It wasn't meant as defense. It was meant that Lorick's roleblock might have triggered and that's why V ain't here, and that just because V is missing does that mean V is Mima. It would be too easy and deciding either way right now just ain't worth it because, as you said, V ain't here so there's not much we can do.

Really Lorick. Really. You repeat what I say and then claim that I'm "changing" the subject when I'm answering Silf's question? Really? You're really starting to bug me. You pushed way too quickly for a new massclaim of sorts, without even showing regard for how it can be confirmed. (Last Words trigger upon death) You concluded that scum didn't have Last Word after just watching one instance (and one where it was shown that not all towns have Last Word either).

And then you go and hang yourself up in "it didn't happen, I didn't roleblock Vendetta". Yeah, night actions are resolved after Twilight. That's implied. But what if Mima has to spend an action to start Twilight? An action that can be roleblocked. In that case, a roleblock must be activated before Twilight happens and should activate regardless of if you successfully. Whenever I run a game, I always make sure to have a priority list, and on those lists, Roleblocks go before everything. So yes, it's entirely possible that your roleblock went through. It's also possible that it didn't and all night actions stop before Twilight because initiating Twilight isn't a scum action. The iffyness come from so vehemently refusing to even consider the idea that you might be responsible for V missing.

And then there's the "Sorry Shiri" line. That's actually a classic scum sign along the lines of voting third. With all that adding up I'm going to Vote: Lorick

(Oh, and Othero. Most if not all night actions are stopped by Twilight. We'll see tomorrow if there's someone dead, and if not, then we can consider that there might be a cult)

Thank you, everyone, for allowing me to live long enough to make the revelations I've become increasingly anxious to make. I've made some mistakes along the way, but by sheer luck those mistakes might have prevented scum from considering me a priority target until now. I am genuinely shocked I did not get killed over the night, and I am quite confounded by my own disappearing act. But no matter, I am sure they'll target me in short order.

I am Reimu Hakurei. I win with town. My ability of evasion comes by virtue of my tiny hitbox. It has a pretty high chance of success, and affects all actions taken against me, which with any luck will allow me to live a bit longer and help you kill scum. For backup on this part of my claim, see:

http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Hitbox

I had the misfortune of being injured in the prologue, and being human, I did not heal completely by the time the game started. My injuries prevented me from doing pretty much anything but talking. That's why you didn't see me voting during day one. If either Salvation or I seemed fishy for wanting to respect anonymity, it was only because of a desire to recover from this state of vulnerability. As others have pointed out, my ability of evasion sounds scummy/neutral, and since I wouldn't have been able to spellcard battle on day 1 due to my injuries... well, I'm just glad those reached their limit before suspicion fell on me. That would have been ugly.

With the dawning of Day 2, I am ready for action again, and don't intend to waste any time with getting fully active with town.

This is why I am directing my attention at Kiradawea. She has had some shadow of suspicion over her ever since she revealed the information she had regarding Mima's desire for the Hakurei orbs. Could she be Mima herself? Knowing who I am now, I think you can understand why I initially wished to grant her mutual respect of anonymity - if I could conceal my identity until day 2, at least, I would stand a better chance of surviving Mima's watch and her attacks.

I'm sure you all read my last lengthy post. A recent revelation near the end of day 1 has convinced me that Kiradawea is not Yukari Yakumo. Why?

QUOTE (Shiri @ Sep 8 2009, 11:22 PM)
I think we can afford to leave Zetsu alone for now, for reasons I'll explain (or have Solanis explain if I'm dead by then) when it comes up.

Take a look at Shiri and Solanis' roles. They were both town, and they both could communicate with one other person. There is a clear implication that Zetsu is Yukari Yakumo.

I also have reason to suspect that Kiradawea is not the second mystery role I thought she might be. While I was gleaning through the thread for information, I realized someone said that "If anything, I am a lie detector sort". This makes me inclined to believe that they might be the mystery role, and not Kiradawea.

And then, we also have Kiradawea's actions during twilight to consider.

I can't allow this to continue, Kiradawea. Shiri suggested spellcard battles for Lorick, you, and Me for this day. I'm going to make good on that. If you are town, please reveal your identity in full, so we can do what we can to protect you should you really possess information gathering abilities. If you are scum, I want you dead, and I'll die in broad daylight in an effort to reveal you should I have to.

Think this is a bogus claim? Okay. Wait for someone else to claim to be Reimu. I can promise it won't happen. No townie in their right mind would lie like that, and any scum attempting to do so will be effectively sacrificing themselves once I wind up dead. Too costly for them.

So, without further ado:

I challenge Kiradawea! Spell Card Set!

(PS - Fishing for Shiri's old posts in this thread is very time consuming. Ugh.)

I know it ain't a bogus claim my dear Reimu. In fact, I've known you were Reimu for quite some time. It is most unfortunate that you would have to reveal yourself like this, for I would far rather have kept your knowledge a secret. But alas, a pity it would not work out so. Especially because, as we all know, how are you to defeat me? Not even with the aide of your companion could you beat me on your first go. You should have respected my wish to keep both our identities hidden, for how should I, the strongest Youkai of Gensokyo, fall to you?

But no, let us battle. I Yuka Kazami, Flower Master of the Four Seasons and strongest Youkai in all of Gensokyo will show you what I've got.

I accept Reimu's challenge! Spell Card Set!

Nothing shall stop the reflowering of Gensokyo. Spell Card Declare! Flower Sign: Reflowering of Gensokyo.

In any case, our lynch for today is pretty obvious, regardless of the outcome of the battle, so vote. We'll definitely have to go back and take a look at who's been defending/trying to divert attention from Kiradawea.

Heh. The same spellcard over again? I saw enough the last time to make it through.

Moving on, AtS is also on my list of suspicious characters. Just how he's been more quiet than the rest of the crew, then made a reappearance just in time to throw in another vote on Renthur when it didn't matter. Then there was twilight.

However, there is also Shaddus. He had a double vote weight that he didn't take advantage of even when we could have needed it. He didn't even show up during twilight. And unlike Llandros, who looks townie and is confirmed via spellcard, we know nothing about him other than his willingness to drink that potion. Where are you, Shaddus? What's the deal? Why is no one else suspicious of him?

Lorick, if you plan to follow along with Shiri's suggestion and spellcard challenge someone, I would suggest one of these two. Zynna, if you really insist, but I don't think she comes across as fishy as the other two.

AtS and Shaddus: if you could reveal a little about yourselves, that would be encouraging to us of the town who have taken risks and paid off with them.

I'm not against lingering a little to talk things over before we lynch, if it is useful to us, but all the same, I still feel like voting right now. If only because I can vote again. Ugh, all that waiting was awful.

Vote: Kiradawea

Oh, and I give a tip of the hat to Daganev, who might be the only reason I'm still here now. I'm sure I'll have to say something like that a few more times if my luck hasn't run out yet.

Afraid not. That was the second Danmaku battle of the day, thus you have no more ways of confirming rolenames today. And no, no unpleasant surprises for you my dear Reimu. Well, beyond you and your friends cursing yourself for lynching the strongest Youkai of Gensokyo on nothing more than random conjecture taken for a fact and a distinct conflict that was in truth confined to you and me. Beyond yourself Reimu, there have been no careful analysis. How can I defend myself against such foolishness? Though you play a game of mind, your friends play a game of emotion. This is their downfall, and thus the punishment will be to hear my laughter as I sit upon my flower fields, watching you squabble among yourselves as Mima effortlessly spreads her Twilight all across the land. For know this. Interfere with my quest to reflower Gensokyo and you will push away a powerful ally. The only one strong enough to fully resist Mima's influence, and strong enough to intercept the twilight.

Well... then again you may still give them some insight, may you not Aya? Yeah, I know who you are. No no no. Don't worry. Your secret is safe with me as for this crowd, even the proof of my ability and capacity to stand against Mima won't deter them from their petty little crusade. But should the Iris bloom for just this evening, I invite you to show the world that my goals are twofold and twofold only. To enjoy the fragrance of the blossoms, and prove my ability as strongest Youkai of Gensokyo.

And for you foolish girls who do not trust me. To you, this is my final word.

Phantasm "Beauty of Nature"

Psh. I'll show Yukari that I'm the strongest one of these days. She doesn't have the ability to intercept Twilight does she?

Waiting for a reply back from Tekora. I'm technically roleblocked, unless the time skip solved it.

Okay, hold on. If spellcard battles reset, and Lorick and I have no longer been affected by our spellcard battles, and we have 2 more spellcard battles available to us for this day, we should probably use them. The only risk we have is if we reveal one or two scum in the process, we will have some very desperate scum ready to carve into us with all their might and can only choose to lynch one.

So long as Flandre is locked in the basement again, I think this is a pretty real risk worth considering.

Arix, are you Aya? You can at least make a claim.

AtS's revelation has me thinking of something else too. If you will all be patient, I shall gather my thoughts.

QUOTE (Silferras @ Sep 11 2009, 10:39 PM)
I think finding out who our scum is asap is worth the risk, because the longer the game goes on and the more nights/twilights we have to go through, the more opportunities they have of eliminating townies/locations. I don't know what the result of the latter is if we don't manage to lynch scum and Daganev can't save us from it again, but I doubt it's beneficial to town.

This is also true. It just might end up getting very bloody.

QUOTE
AtS's claim of no spellcards and Last Word is really strange, though. Hm.

I will be addressing this in my analysis.

As a final thought: Zynna, do you know who your mistress is, since you are Eirin? I think I have an idea of who it is now, but I don't wish to put pressure on you on this matter. She has so far stayed away Othero and not made any aggressive moves towards him, so I'm assuming she might be afraid of him

When I revealed my identity at the beginning of Day 2, I was surprised not only that Kiradawea was Yuka instead of Mima, but also that Mima herself did not come after me.

Kiradawea has told us some interesting things. I'm not inclined to believe every word she says, but she's a practical youkai. She wouldn't just say things for the sake of saying them. I'm willing to believe that Medicine was her underling, hoping to expand her Suzuran field by granting Yuka assistance (though was ultimately expendable in Yuka's attempts to appear like a Townie). This would establish what the other win condition Medicine had might be, and that Yuka and Mima are indeed not working together.

I am beginning to think that Mima cannot act during the day time, to balance out her powerful presence during Twilight, and potentially during the Night (which we haven't really experienced in full yet).

It would stand, then, that Mima might have no spellcards, and therefore cannot initiate battles herself. However, this does not mean that challenging her is an instant win. Only that she can't start the fight. Mima is exceptionally powerful and it might be plausible to believe anyone that would challenge her would be destroyed in the process.

AtS, does this all sound familiar to you? Do you have any other explanations?

However, there is another side to the coin here. Since Kiradawea has her own agenda, she could know something useful about Mima. Do any of you think she would challenge Mima if her identity were revealed? Or has she known who Mima is for "some time", like she claims to have with me, and has reason to avoid her?

If Yuka can destroy Mima, she might gain some new power in the process, and we'd want to defeat Mima before she can... though without knowing if there's any special conditions that need to be met.

If Yuka cannot destroy Mima, then we don't have to rush the situation with reckless action.

What are we going to do?

Zynna, I think you must have at least one kind of potion left. The purple one doubles vote weight, the yellow one made you win a danmaku battle without really fighting back... what does the last one do, assuming you might have restrictions and options similar to Medicine's?

I don't have much more proof than what I've said as I don't have spellcards or Final words to reveal myself. I suppose the group as a whole could choose someone for me to try to get a scoop on tonight, but there will only be a published newspaper tomorrow if they actually do something newsworthy. I can't print that they just slept all night!

Why aren't we trying what V said now, instead? If Kira is telling the truth with her win condition, she's got a lot of days left and she might stop a twilight or two in the process. I don't get why we don't go with the more pressing concern of Twilights and village attacks. I say have Silf reveal via spellcard, lynch one of those two - Shaddus being my personal preference because he's no where to be found - and then take out Yuka (Or Arix or Furien if the reveals point to them instead.)

Or maybe Dag can timeslip us many times and we don't have to worry about that. I dunno

Pretty much that requires you to trust scum, which you keep implying we should. If say Kira had a power similiar to Medicines with kill conditions it could come to bite us later. Also, it means either my roleblock stopped her from attempting her location claim or something else occured to ruin it for last twilight. It isn't like she _isn't_ attempting to control the world on us, and if she and Mima worked out a way to hit different locations at the same time we could be in a huge pickle. The very fact you are suggesting we leave her alive troubles me Sabre.

I know I'd said I'd be silent, but I'll throw this in.

If Furien turns out to be Yukari and we are ready to believe that Zetsu is Marisa, I will be very skeptical of Shaddus if he shows up after and claims to be Kaguya. If Shaddus wants to convince us of his identity, he better do it now while the role isn't virtually left for him to claim unopposed.

Don't worry yourself Aya. The bunny is just terrified of my ability, and logic suggestions like "there's no way Yuka could know that razing the Hakurei shrine would release Mima" or "why would Yuka willingly submit herself to Mima's will." For them to want me, they have to get past their fear. But honestly. Look at me. Look at what I did to Othero who tried to challenge me. If I really carried ill will for you, then would I not already have you slaughtered? If Reimu can't stop me, how can any of you possibly hope to do that? They fear me. And because of that, they don't wish to give me a chance to prove myself. Thank you for your confidence though. But I fear it is wasted if they refuse to listen to reason.

Here, this game is really starting to confuse me but it seems agreed Kira is the lynch for the day.
Vote: Kiradawea

I am... very confused. Is there any chance left of the possibility of a cult? There are only a few people left who haven't claimed in some way, and the only vaguely scum-faction-looking-people were Medicine and Mima. But I guess it's likely there isn't a cult, because Medicine was already in Mima's faction and cults generally only start with the leader. Regardless, I don't think the scum faction here is like a normal game's, and I'm still trying to figure out what it might be. Maybe some of the roles we normally wouldn't consider scum are, since the only way we can confirm someone's alignment is through death, but that'd mean we have absolutely no idea who's scum or not, based on role.

It'd probably be in town's best interests to take out Kiradawea now, but still... I feel like there's something wrong here. Oh well, Vote: Kiradawea. Maybe we should check on Arix or Shaddus later?

anyway mock SATs tomorrow, blehhhhhh. will post after those if my brain isn't too tired.

Also, it seems Celina is out. Celina, have any information you would like to share?

Actually, I have an idea. Othero, would you consider challenging Kiradawea to a spellcard battle? If you lock her up and prevent her from attacking Mima for this day, we can deliberate a little longer without worry. You should be okay even if you lose to her, and if Yuka's win condition involves defeating Mima, it will spare us of that a little longer.

Wait, why are we spell carding Kira, we know who she is and have narrowed roles down greatly. Personally, I'm extremely suspicious of Furien right now since she has been by to check on things but has been lurking on purpose, avoiding conversation, attention, and voting. Why avoid voting? Because it doesn't matter to somehow who doesn't need to if the town is attempting to off an opposing mafia.

We can talk to Furien too, but what AtS let slip seems pretty bizarre and damning to me. If he ceases to talk to us altogether, I think we know what that means.

We potentially have Mima under the gun. We can't lynch both Mima and Yuka. Yuka might be able to defeat Mima with a spellcard battle like how Othero could kill Kaguya, and that could be a part of her win condition. Or, she can't defeat Mima without some special condition otherwise. If we lynch Yuka now, Mima might go all out on Twilight and Night. Unless Daganev can advance time again, this would be bad. Furthermore, are we even certain a lynch can kill Mima on our side?

I want to resolve this while keeping Town losses as low as possible. Can you see where I'm coming from?

I guess the other option is we could let Flandre out of the basement again. I don't know...

Nothing did.

Maybe it's just from being tired RL and letting my head run wild with theories. If you want me to back off, I will now.

Nothing? Now that is a lie. You disappear, and you return stronger with day 2. I hardly call it "Nothing".

Go back and read my claim again. I was injured still during day 1. The wounds finished healing up... again.

Yet you state in the same claim you had no idea why you disappeared.

That is also true. When I vanished, I received no message or text as to why.

Right, you vanish on the onset of the attack on the human village, then return once it ends stronger than before. See why I want to know?

Then, you start advising the town to save an obvious scum on the stipulation that we need her to kill Mima.

I already told you why.

You already have my identity confirmed via spellcard, too. However, if you find that questionable, I have a second spellcard that will also serve to confirm my identity. I can be challenged and use the second instead.

I guess I wasn't very clear. I meant it might be more dangerous to let Mima live than Yuka, if Mima felt her identity was compromised.

I wouldn't deny that this is a possibility, but I want to look into AtS first.

Remember what happened back at the Shrine? Got blown up. Reimu passed out. Woke up at Yukari's place.

Guess what she could have left behind? Spell cards!

Still- AtS first.

Lets just finish this lynch on Kiradawea and get her out of the way. Vendetta deserves a stronger look at. We didn't have anything happen the night I did the roleblock, we did this night though because it seemed more and more like Vendetta was at least not a part of Kira's faction and I thought I had caught a big one and blocked her. If anyone can investigated he deserves another looksee. Too many things aren't adding up, sorry Vendetta.

That's fine. This is my screw up and I'll accept the consequences for town. I'm not afraid of being investigated - if someone can and finds me suspicious now, please do so over the next night. Or now, during the day, if that's somehow possible.

The only way this would seem correct is if they were on the same side, which means your current arguement would be pointless, as no scum is going to break with their allies.

No. AtS is Aya. It's just more likely that he got an empty prompt and didn't ask Tekora about what happened. That happened to me, I started out without Spellcard or Final Word and didn't get them until I asked for it.

Anyway I accept Othero's challenge! Spell Card Set!

Show me what you've got. Spell Card Declare: Love Sign: Double Spark

Anyway, I'm sure you guys can get rid of Mima without me. I don't have any abilities designed to eliminate Mima. What I do have is the ability to prevent a Twilight from taking place. My goal is the reflowering of Gensokyo. I do that by targetting every location in the game once. Successfully targetting a location also reveals to me what goal interests anyone may take in a location. That's how I knew about Mima wanting to kill Reimu for the Yin-Yang orbs. It's apparently needed for her reincarnation. If I and Mima target the same location, we'll also cancel each other out. She won't initiate Twilight, and I won't reflower the location. My win condition doesn't technically interfere with anyone. I win either by surviving, or by targetting all locations.

Not that anyone but V listens to what I say anyway... have fun with Twilights every night.